The state benefits system mega-thread.

[Gary L]

Osborne using Philpot and the 6 dead kids as a soapbox in getting the nation to despise benefit claimants.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Osborne using Philpot and the 6 dead kids as a soapbox in getting the nation to despise benefit claimants.

is there a link or a start point for this?

[Gary L]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...ded.1365090466

[peanut]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

is there a link or a start point for this?

And been on most news bulletins throughout the day.

And now Ball's reply to it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22025035

do not read or watch the news its depressing , Thanks for the links

What he actually said (from the Times).

The jury at Nottingham Crown Court had heard that Philpott had been planning to blame the blaze on his former mistress and secure the return of her five children, enabling him to secure more benefits and a bigger council house.

“Philpott and his accomplices alone are responsible for committing these horrendous crimes, which have shocked a community and the nation,” Mr Osborne said on a visit to Derby, where the tragedy happened last May.

“But I think there needs to be a debate about the welfare state — and the way it subsidised the lifestyle of Philpott…

“The taxpayers pay for the welfare state, subsidising lifestyles like that, and I think that needs to be examined.”

Philpott had received more than £8,000 a year in child benefits alone for his 11 eligible children. According to a Times estimate, he received more than £53,000 a year in tax-free benefits and tax credits.

Context is all....

Originally Posted by Gary L

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...ded.1365090466

omg is he for real. So now he is trying to spin to the worker that a benefit "scrounger" can now be a child killer . As if the stigma for the unemployed isn't bad enough. Well Stinson Hunter found a councillor who wanted underage sex with a 15 year old does that mean all politicians could be nonces ?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

What he actually said (from the Times).



Context is all....

so The Times never misrepresent anything then? is there a video we can watch to see what he said is it a proper interview ?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Hugh

What he actually said (from the Times).

Context is all....

I agree context is key. But that's left for people like you to see right through it, but in the meantime someone has to defend the crap that is produced out there. Eg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dren-fire.html

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Context is all....

Do you have a point, Hugh?

would you like to expand a little bit. you never expand. you just copy and paste. and add 3 words.

it would be nice if you could expand for once.

Originally Posted by peanut

That is exactly what I thought when I saw the TV interview, labelling claiments with lifestyles etc.

Originally Posted by Gary L

He's just another muppet.

Philpott did it with the intention of being made a hero, and to frame his ex so he could get custody of five kids.
yes, child benefit come with the kids. so what?

would Osborne be prepared to say if he could to the dead kids. glad you're alive now. but you're the kind of family that sets a bad example to the tax payer. and I will make damn sure that you suffer.

stupid prat.

and if I hear anyone (outside the forum) say the same thing. I'll punch them in the nose!

Your mixing things up and blending the two discussions about Phillpot into one when they are totally different and separate .It is very relevant how philpot managed to mis use the system for so long and Osborne is right to raise the question .Here we have a perfect example of why the system needs reform and people like him are why it is being reformed .It's a safe bet that the benefit system and the amount of money he got from it and was going to lose by his girlfriend moving out was the reason why phillpot hatched his plan in the first place

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

omg is he for real. So now he is trying to spin to the worker that a benefit "scrounger" can now be a child killer . As if the stigma for the unemployed isn't bad enough. Well Stinson Hunter found a councillor who wanted underage sex with a 15 year old does that mean all politicians could be nonces ?

You've just read the first lefty head line you came across haven't you , have look about and get the real story


start with this

http://news.sky.com/story/1073914/os...benefit-reform

Originally Posted by martyh

Your mixing things up and blending the two discussions about Phillpot into one when they are totally different and separate .It is very relevant how philpot managed to mis use the system for so long and Osborne is right to raise the question .Here we have a perfect example of why the system needs reform and people like him are why it is being reformed .It's a safe bet that the benefit system and the amount of money he got from it and was going to lose by his girlfriend moving out was the reason why phillpot hatched his plan in the first place

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You've just read the first lefty head line you came across haven't you , have look about and get the real story


start with this

http://news.sky.com/story/1073914/os...benefit-reform

I did yes I do think what I said was funny though lol

[Osem]

Ok so I'm sure those who're rightly complaining about what they see as unfair stereotyping of all benefit claimants won't be labelling all bankers as crooks, for example, or supporting those politicians who indulge in that sort of thing.

[Gary L]

By his actions, Osborne has associated Philpott's actions/attitude/beliefs and a child killer, with benefit claimants (people out of work) (haven't got a job) (maybe poor)

he could have left it, and thought it's not appropriate under the circumstances.
but no. as he's out and about making a name for himself and doing Gods work of inciting hatred towards the unemployed. he couldn't resist the opportunity.

yes we need to save money. but associating benefit claimants with child killers. and making an obvious national hate campaign towards them. is just wrong.

especially when it's the government that's leading the crusade.

You only have to look at Osborne and you can see he's not all there.

I to be honest aint that bothered about this one upon reflection

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I to be honest aint that bothered about this one upon reflection

Nor me. and I'm hungry anyway.