Application Throttling/Management - Page 22

adrian1971 · 08-09-2008, 21:12

i do think the isp of this country should pull there socks up quickly before we get left behind, we are already way behind in broadband with the rest of the world,
h20 are doing 100mb broadband in Bournemouth, Northampton and Dundee and thats through standard line, (( with fibre optic put from exchange somewhere ))
comapny called geo lease there fibre optic lines to tiscali and a few other isp's
none of these isp cap your bandwidth ??
so what would you go for ? a service thats capped or a service thats not capped ?
its only a matter of time before we have that choice

icsys · 08-09-2008, 21:18

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Originally Posted by |Kippa|

What about the 'Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000' with specific regards that the Secretary of State can issue the interception of communications (in section 5 of the act 'interception with a warrant'). As far as I can tell from browsing the act if it is authorised by Home Secretary then they can legitimatley intercept your communications, probably via deep packet inspection and or other methods regardless of your consent or not.

That is correct. But such authorisation shall not be granted unless...

(a) it is in the interests of national security;

(b) it is for the purpose of preventing or detecting serious crime;

(c) it is for the purpose of safeguarding the economic well-being of the United Kingdom; or

(d) it is for the purpose, in circumstances appearing to the Secretary of State to be equivalent to those in which he would issue a warrant by virtue of giving effect to the provisions of any international mutual assistance agreement.

I don't think that interception of communications for the purpose of Application Throttling/Management falls under any of those.

Rone · 08-09-2008, 23:16

(b) it is for the purpose of preventing or detecting serious crime;

That will be that Girls Aloud cd i downloaded last week then...............

[actually that might be classed as a crime

]

popper · 08-09-2008, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

With the new docsis 3 they are capable of far higher than that at least 400MBit i say but i have heard rumors of it could go up to 2GBit siruis might be able to confirm that a bit more than me

the official spec for the real minimum 4 channels Docsis3 kit as apposed to the old
pre-DS3/DS2.0b that its based on is
upto 160Mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120Mbps
thats the Minimum Spec for Docsis 3.0 using the mandated basic 4 bonded channels in case you didnt know.

the official full spec for the final can use upto 125 bonded channels thats 5Gbit/s download and 3.75Gbit/s upload max total.

that OC is if some vendors decide to make and meet the units to this 125 bonded channels in the far future, but OC your going to need far better than the current end user 1 gigabit Ethernet cards to take advantage of that kind of speed by then.

the old http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34521967 thread has lots of interesting information and links if your interested.

dragon · 08-09-2008, 23:37

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Originally Posted by popper

the official spec for the minimum 4 channels Docsis3 kit is
upto 160mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120mbps for docsis3.0.

thats the Minimum Spec for Docsis 2.0b/3.0 using the basic 4 bonded channels in case you didnt know.

the official full spec can use upto 125 bonded channels thats 5Gb/s download and 3.75Gb/s upload max total.

that OC is if some vendors decide to make and meet the units to this 125 bonded channels in the far future, but OC your going to need far better than the current end user 1 gigabit Ethernet cards to take advantage of that kind of speed by then.

the old http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34521967 thread has lots of interesting information and links if your interested.

Which is all fine and dandy if you've got the backhaul to support it.

I.e you could give every end user 160Mbit but it's going to be useless if there's only say 200mbit backhaul for the area.

popper · 08-09-2008, 23:44

thats what that old http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34513039-post56.html
VM April 2nd 2007 announcement was supposed to be all about.

"In addition to supporting all of its own broadband customers, Virgin Media also leases capacity on its core network to several of the UK’s leading ISPs, so the Juniper Networks T-series will be supporting an expansive network capable of delivering Internet-based communications services to more
than 12 million UK homes (more than 50 percent of the total households in the UK), and 85 percent of UK businesses.

“Service reliability, throughput speed and scalable capacity are the main criteria that will enable a successful roll-out of next-generation network services in both the immediate future and in the long term,” said Rob Sim, Head of Network Architecture at Virgin Media.

“We wanted to put support for 40G in place now, and both the T640 and TX Matrix platforms from Juniper enable us to support 40G as soon as needed.

Also, as the capacity demands on our network grow, we can easily upgrade the T640 to TX Matrix as required, whilst maintaining both operational and service consistency without an operating system change.”

"
opp thats should be upto 160Mbps download, and upstream speeds of up to 120Mbps Megabits not mibibits

dragon · 08-09-2008, 23:55

I like how you underlined Upto.

Ignitionnet · 09-09-2008, 11:38

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Originally Posted by popper

the official full spec for the final can use upto 125 bonded channels thats 5Gbit/s download and 3.75Gbit/s upload max total.

All very true but it should be mentioned that a 125 tuner modem is way out of reach at the moment, and a 3.75Gbit/s upload even with the tuners in place is just not feasible on cable networks at the moment.

VM have at absolute most 60MHz of bandwidth on the upstream and in a lot of areas less than 40, in some 25 which is nowhere near enough for 1Gbit let alone 3.75 assuming that the entire bandwidth there is useful, which it likely won't be, and that there's nothing else running on it.

The numbers are great to look at but we won't be seeing networks with that kind of downstream for a considerable time, if ever, upstream, well, no comment. It would require a lot of investment in the access network which is something VM have a bit of an allergy to going by their network overbuild spend thusfar, less than 1/5th of some companies.

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Originally Posted by adrian1971

i do think the isp of this country should pull there socks up quickly before we get left behind, we are already way behind in broadband with the rest of the world,

Some of the world for sure.

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h20 are doing 100mb broadband in Bournemouth, Northampton and Dundee and thats through standard line, (( with fibre optic put from exchange somewhere ))

It's fibre to the home not standard lines, the fibre is right to your home and is a work in progress, not complete. Not sure if they've even started building yet.

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comapny called geo lease there fibre optic lines to tiscali and a few other isp's
none of these isp cap your bandwidth ??
so what would you go for ? a service thats capped or a service thats not capped ?
its only a matter of time before we have that choice

That is only core network fibre, doesn't really relate to the service at your home, and Tiscali throttle like hell

adrian1971 · 09-09-2008, 15:50

my point was that vm will not be the only ones that can offer super speed broadband,
fair enough it will take time but it will come eventually,

what i would like to know is how many will be taking the 50mb package when it comes out, bearing in mind with all this throttling it wont take long to go from 50mb to what ever they set the capping at.

50mb sounds impressive but i would rather have my 20mb with no throttling

Andrewcrawford23 · 09-09-2008, 16:47

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Originally Posted by adrian1971

my point was that vm will not be the only ones that can offer super speed broadband,
fair enough it will take time but it will come eventually,

what i would like to know is how many will be taking the 50mb package when it comes out, bearing in mind with all this throttling it wont take long to go from 50mb to what ever they set the capping at.

50mb sounds impressive but i would rather have my 20mb with no throttling

Yu dnt even need 20MB i only know about 6 server worldwide that can handle the speed so oyu can use the connection to full. Most barely support 10MB if they provide 10MB with no throttling and alsightly higher uplaod that be perfect i say

Fatec · 09-09-2008, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

Yu dnt even need 20MB i only know about 6 server worldwide that can handle the speed so oyu can use the connection to full. Most barely support 10MB if they provide 10MB with no throttling and alsightly higher uplaod that be perfect i say

All the http servers i use i can pretty much max out at 50-60Mbit, premium http i can easily do 100Mbit.

Most sites can provide 10+Mbit just fine.

Giganews can pump out much more than 100Mbit as well

Andrewcrawford23 · 09-09-2008, 17:23

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

All the http servers i use i can pretty much max out at 50-60Mbit, premium http i can easily do 100Mbit.

Most sites can provide 10+Mbit just fine.

Giganews can pump out much more than 100Mbit as well

Majority of servers can pump out at very high rates but not many can maintain them. Hay even virgin own gamefiles which is on gigabit can only maintain 1.5Mb/s but can reach 20Mb/s

only know that cause i was lucky to have access to a oc connection one day

09-09-2008, 17:32

I have decided if VM do bring this in when I move (not sure where thats is) I will be gone and wont use the service rather give Sky my money

Fatec · 09-09-2008, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

Majority of servers can pump out at very high rates but not many can maintain them. Hay even virgin own gamefiles which is on gigabit can only maintain 1.5Mb/s but can reach 20Mb/s

only know that cause i was lucky to have access to a oc connection one day

I can pull files from virginmedia at around 9MB/s (tried ubuntu download).

Everyone i've tried can maintain them, ironically the only one that cant seems to be microsoft which seems to vary alot.

What sort of OC connection

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Originally Posted by darthlinux

I have decided if VM do bring this in when I move (not sure where thats is) I will be gone and wont use the service rather give Sky my money

What do you mean, IF? the hardware is already there and enabled, technically its already been brought in!

Andrewcrawford23 · 09-09-2008, 17:46

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Originally Posted by TraxData2

I can pull files from virginmedia at around 9MB/s (tried ubuntu download).

Everyone i've tried can maintain them, ironically the only one that cant seems to be microsoft which seems to vary alot.

What sort of OC connection

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What do you mean, IF? the hardware is already there and enabled, technically its already been brought in!

What you mean sort of OC connection, connection type or speed? or something else.

Do you know what is weird when i done it on the OC connection ot microsoft it maintain 14Mb/s but when i tried ubutnu it Maintain 1Mb/s oh well guess traffic was bad at the times we tried each site, guess i am wrong maybe majority can handle it