smoking and the pub - Page 22

lippy · 27-10-2005, 15:57

Good decision,letting the owner decide.

I hope all you non-smokers will stand by what you preach, and not go in the pubs that decide to allow smoking!

Now, how about a ban on people who bring their little brats to the pub on a Sunday/Bank Holiday.
I go there for a quiet drink (and a smoke), i don't want your kids running around screaming!

Pierre · 27-10-2005, 15:58

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Originally Posted by clarie

.Not really, considering that :

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The ban will be reviewed within three years of being introduced, and Mrs Hewitt described it as the "big step towards" a full ban

Well freedom prevails for three more years then.
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Originally Posted by lippy

Now, how about a ban on people who bring their little brats to the pub on a Sunday/Bank Holiday.
I go there for a quiet drink (and a smoke), i don't want your kids running around screaming!

A greenie for you my friend. I could quite easily manage to enjoy a meal even if the person next to me was smoking.

But a screaming brat, or unruly 4,5,6 year old running around the place really does my head in.

orangebird · 27-10-2005, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Well freedom prevails for three more years then.

Kind of. It's still a huge change for people who have pubs with restaurants.

Lew · 27-10-2005, 15:59

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Originally Posted by david.ewles

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I suppose you also think that car drivers are trying to "murder" you with their exhaust fumes?

orangebird · 27-10-2005, 16:04

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Originally Posted by lippy

Good decision,letting the owner decide.

The owner still doesn't get to decide. The decision now is:

Do I continue to serve food (which makes more profit), and **** my smoking, drinking 10 year long regulars whose custom sees me through the quiet times which will probably lead me into closing the business?

or

Do I just serve drink, and make about 3p a pint, therefore not make enough money to stay open?

Great choices....

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I hope all you non-smokers will stand by what you preach, and not go in the pubs that decide to allow smoking!

I very much doubt it. When else would they get the chance to **** and moan otherwise?

clarie · 27-10-2005, 16:08

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Originally Posted by orangebird

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I hope all you non-smokers will stand by what you preach, and not go in the pubs that decide to allow smoking!

I very much doubt it. When else would they get the chance to **** and moan otherwise?

I love the fact that us anti-smokers are being made out to be miserable moaners. Sorry if your highly dangerous and stinking habit is something I would rather not be affected by!

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Originally Posted by orangebird

and **** my smoking, drinking 10 year long regulars whose custom sees me through the quiet times which will probably lead me into closing the business?

If the customers are that loyal I am sure they won't mind popping outside for a fag to be able to continue to support their friend's business...

**Chris** · 27-10-2005, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Lew

I suppose you also think that car drivers are trying to "murder" you with their exhaust fumes?

It's certainly true to say that car exhaust, like cigarette smoke, is bad for your heath when you are forced to breathe it in a confined space.

orangebird · 27-10-2005, 16:14

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It's certainly true to say that car exhaust, like cigarette smoke, is bad for your heath when you are forced to breathe it in a confined space.

It's bad enough when you're pushing your baby in a stroller down the high street. Nothing to grin about really Chris.
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Originally Posted by clarie

I love the fact that us anti-smokers are being made out to be miserable moaners. Sorry if your highly dangerous and stinking habit is something I would rather not be affected by!

Umm, a far as this thread demonstrates, 99% of you are. And your hypocrisy stinks nearly as much as the habit Clarie.

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If the customers are that loyal I am sure they won't mind popping outside for a fag to be able to continue to support their friend's business...

Fab Idea. All us smokers will stand outside the entrance, blowing smoke at all the non-smokers as they try to enter the building.

**Chris** · 27-10-2005, 16:15

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Originally Posted by orangebird

It's bad enough when you're pushing your baby in a stroller down the high street. Nothing to grin about really Chris.

It's not nearly as bad as you think. Thanks to catalytic converters, car exhaust is basically nitrogen and carbon dioxide. Quite useful for the suicidal but not directly harmful to the passing pedestrian (except for CO2 being a greenhouse gas of course).

Trying to make a direct comparison between tobacco smoke and car exhaust is yet another red herring.

lippy · 27-10-2005, 16:17

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Originally Posted by clarie

I love the fact that us anti-smokers are being made out to be miserable moaners. Sorry if your highly dangerous and stinking habit is something I would rather not be affected by!

And now you have the choice not to be affected by it.
But as orangebird said,i bet you'll still go in the pubs and moan.

clarie · 27-10-2005, 16:19

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It's bad enough when you're pushing your baby in a stroller down the high street. Nothing to grin about really Chris.

Christ it's a hell of a lot less dangerous than smoking in an enclosed area where other people are!!!

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Umm, a far as this thread demonstrates, 99% of you are. And your hypocrisy stinks nearly as much as the habit Clarie.

We disagree with your point of view, that doesn't make us moaners.

And as for the hypocrisy comment, there is nothing hypocritical about realising the error of your ways and changing sides. So don't try and compare my enlightenment to the poison you put in your body and the bodies of others everyday.

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Fab Idea. All us smokers will stand outside the entrance, blowing smoke at all the non-smokers as they try to enter the building.

What are you, 12? I am sure your friend will love you if you do that...

Jon M · 27-10-2005, 16:23

Just passing through.. I don't give a

about the subject of this thread per se. Just a quick plea for calm and serenity on all sides please.

orangebird · 27-10-2005, 16:41

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Originally Posted by clarie

Christ it's a hell of a lot less dangerous than smoking in an enclosed area where other people are!!!

How do you know that? Or is that another wild assumption like what a pub is really for and what the publican has to provide to the public?

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We disagree with your point of view, that doesn't make us moaners.

You don't think there's been any moaing in this thread from non-smokers? Are we reading the same thread??

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And as for the hypocrisy comment, there is nothing hypocritical about realising the error of your ways and changing sides. So don't try and compare my enlightenment to the poison you put in your body and the bodies of others everyday.

What are you, 12? I am sure your friend will love you if you do that...

Touched a nerve did I?

**Maggy** · 27-10-2005, 16:44

I was going to suggest we all wrap ourselves in clingfilm and never leave the house when I remembered that clingfilm is reputed to be carcinogenic.

Paddy1 · 27-10-2005, 16:45

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Originally Posted by clarie

With alcohol, there is currently no proof that there is a direct impact on the health of non-drinkers from people drinking around them that is strong enough to warrant prohibiton of alcohol consumption in public places.

Alcohol related illness, whether it be a peppered liver from years of drinking, a gash in the face from a passing drunk or a car crash caused by a drunk driver IS a major burden on the NHS. Removing these unnecessary cases from the NHS workload would significantly speed up the queues and allow people to be treated that much quicker. It therefore IS having an effect on the health of non-drinkers. Try attending casualty at 1 a.m. on a friday or saturday night and, chances are, you will have quite a wait ahead of you.

Alcohol is completely unnecessary in society. Nobody needs it (or should need it). It costs the NHS a lot of money and takes up a lot of resources. It does affect the health of drinker and non-drinker alike. Why shouldn't it be banned?

It's as fair and reasonable as a ban on smoking. Smokers are, in the main, willing to compromise through dedicated sealed smoking areas and the like. It's the non-smokers that refuse to bend in any way to a compromise but will throw a hissy fit if anyone suggests taking away their beloved booze FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASON that get me.

I am a drinker and a smoker. I don't want to see either banned but I also want to be able to go for a pint and a smoke whether it be through smoking/non-smoking pubs or dedicated smoking areas.

Oh, and it's "moot" Pierre