Brexit

Originally Posted by jfman

I'm sure Operation Stack will do it anyway if we left.

Hopefully they get more of a turnout than Farage and the Leave Means Leave march. I do enjoy some civil disobedience.

I said previously - the Leave means Leave march was not a rally, it was a march and they were limited to 200 and all 200 turned up.

So looks like the EU are more flexible than we though:

1) Approve the deal - EU will give us to May 2nd
2) No deal - April 12th
3) Retaining the option for long extension until whenever so long as we participate in EU elections

I think this means May's deal is dead no matter what.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

I said previously - the Leave means Leave march was not a rally, it was a march and they were limited to 200 and all 200 turned up.

75 apparently with 50 regulars. But it's a massive march, 14 miles every day over two weeks is far more than a single stroll round London. Respect to the 50 for their endurance.

[jfman]

Stacking the decks against no deal somewhat. Very clever.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

So looks like the EU are more flexible than we though:

1) Approve the deal - EU will give us to May 2nd
2) No deal - April 12th
3) Retaining the option for long extension until whenever so long as we participate in EU elections

I think this means May's deal is dead no matter what.

To be honest, her deal has been dead twice. When she made her speech last night, it was both dead and buried.

Someone else might want to check all that, I've been out and am less than sober

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

Someone else might want to check all that, I've been out and am less than sober

Looks good to me. Enjoy!

Hang on approve the deal and get May 22nd I think. Typo.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Someone else might want to check all that, I've been out and am less than sober

Lots to celebrate.
29th March Brexit. Dead.
No deal. Dead.
Chances of a more commonsense Brexit. High

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Lots to celebrate.
29th March Brexit. Dead.
No deal. Dead.
Chances of a more commonsense Brexit. High

No more time for Johnson to demand she goes back to Brussels to demand a better deal. 30th June would be three wasted months without cutting through the chaff.

[pip08456]

Theresa May and the president of the European Council, Donald Tusk, are about to meet, with the bloc having decided upon its response to her request for a delay.

Update on Damien’s earlier post, reporters are saying that it looks like the following:
If MV3 passes next week, UK has until May 22 to pass necessary legislation.
If MV3 falls, new deadline of April 12 when UK has to decide to contest EP elections (= longer extension) or to have hard exit.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Update on Damien’s earlier post, reporters are saying that it looks like the following:
If MV3 passes next week, UK has until May 22 to pass necessary legislation.
If MV3 falls, new deadline of April 12 when UK has to decide to contest EP elections (= longer extension) or to have hard exit.

= possibility of a further extension of several months.

According to the Press Association, EU leaders are set to offer the UK a plan that would delay Brexit from 29 March to 22 May on condition that MPs approve Theresa May’s withdrawal deal.

If the deal is rejected in its third “meaningful vote” in the Commons, the UK would be given until 12 April to come to the European Council with its proposals for the way forward.

If the UK agreed to take part in European Parliament elections in May, the possibility would be open for a further extension of several months.

Tusk has not officially confirmed what the bloc’s offer will be but is meeting May right now to communicate it to her.

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Breaking.

The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the withdrawal agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week. If the withdrawal agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council.

The European Council reiterates that there can be no opening of the withdrawal agreement that was agreed between the [European] Union and the United Kingdom in November 2018. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the withdrawal agreement.

The European Council calls for work to be continued on preparedness and contingency at all levels for the consequences of the United Kingdom’s withdrawal, taking into account all possible outcomes.

[jfman]

Hot take from Lord Ashcroft:

It may be the Prime Minister was right in not ruling out a no deal as any sane person would agree this needed to be on the table as a negotiating tool as this appears to be flummoxing the EU tonight as they certainly don’t want a no deal...

EU ready for no deal on April 12.
UK not ready for no deal full stop.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Lots to celebrate.
29th March Brexit. Dead.
No deal. Dead.
Chances of a more commonsense Brexit. High

Wrong.

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Donald Tusk confirms that Theresa May has agreed to the plan to delay Brexit until 22 May if she can get her deal through the Commons, or 12 April if she cannot.

[jfman]

That’s some selective quoting. I could select his line about revoking A50, but few see that as credible at this stage.

I hope everyone votes in the European elections. People died for the vote so it’s important to exercise your democratic right.