Football Season 2011/12 - Page 214

Alan Fry · 21-02-2012, 09:59

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Originally Posted by DocDutch

Problem is if we get rid of wenger i still bet that the board won't spend any real money on new players that a new manager would want to get.
My thinking is that the board made a mistake of going for kroenke instead of the Russians

Alisher Usmanov couls still buy the club as he still owns 29.25% of the shares, especially if Stan Kroenke (owner of 66.76% of the shares) deisdes that Arsenal is a bad invesment and sells up!

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Originally Posted by denphone

But remember Arsene Wenger has made some poor buys in the last couple of years and has to accept some responsibility for that but l am not saying get rid of him but he does however have to admit in the last couple of years that he has got things seriously wrong with his transfer strategy.

I think he should have sold their players from the glory days for better prices, take Thierry Henry for example!

Also you have to take account of the rise of Chelsea and the dominance of Man U!

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Originally Posted by Damien

You do have to break even for the security of the club. I am unsure why, in recent years, the money from sold players hasn't gone to replace them. I suspect that's why there are rumours of serious cash to be spent but I don't believe they will break the wage structure much, that would be insane. I wouldn't support it either, I would rather drop out of the top four teams but have a stable club rather than do a Leeds or Rangers trying to chase the dream.

They are possibly the most profitable club in the UK, along with Man U!

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Originally Posted by denphone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17090404

Shame he did not do a deal like he did for Peter Schmeichel!

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Originally Posted by denphone

Any names on your mind Alan?.

He should not be replaced, he has done good for Arsenal!

TheDaddy · 21-02-2012, 11:25

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Originally Posted by Damien

The wage bill is too high, spread out amongst average players. It's welcoming news that there will be a lot of players leaving when the window opens which should bring that wage bill down, we need to player the younger/reserve players less than we do.

However we bring in more promising young players than a lot of clubs and pay high wages in lieu of high transfer fees to support such a model. Szcesney and Wilshere are examples of this working. Denilson, Bendtner are examples of this failing. It's difficult to know in advance which will be successes.

Wenger simply doesn't have the money. Â£55 million and you have to remember that includes money left over from the Fabregas and Nasri deals.

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I don't feel sorry for the boss. Well, I do, because he is being portrayed as a senile old fool when he deserves a lot more respect, especially from the clubs fans considering all he has done.

However that's not why I defend him. I defend him because he remains one of the best managers in the world. This is why the likes of PSG and Madrid still court him to take over, he refused an offer to manage PSG already this season.

The truth is the club breaks even. He doesn't have the money to spend lavishly. So what better manager is there for this than Wenger? A owner like Usmanov will spend his own money, falling foul of FFP and risking the club's security should he ever leave.

only Â£55 million lol and FFP doesn't include stadium costs so Usmanov could pump in millions a year if allowed to, even if it was only the Â£25 million you suggested earlier that's buying one top class player a season rather than selling one.

**Damien** · 21-02-2012, 11:32

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

only Â£55 million lol and FFP doesn't include stadium costs so Usmanov could pump in millions a year if allowed to, even if it was only the Â£25 million you suggested earlier that's buying one top class player a season rather than selling one.

The Â£55 million has to cover wages as well as the fee and is only that high because of the sales of Nasri and Fabregas. You take out players going out and Arsenal break even. I agree it would great if the owner paid off the stadium and freed up that money. That would be great. It would instantly negate the need for CL football to break even, it would help first team investment.

The finances effectively mean that in the short term Wenger is still dependent on shipping players out in order to buy - unless we take on more debt or the owner finances it. Long term our commercial deals are under performing because long-term deals were signed almost a decade ago so when they expire that will go drastically up, additionally once the stadium is paid off then all the money also goes into the club. So it's looking rosy long term but in the short term Wenger doesn't have money to invest in the team beyond that raised by outgoing tranfers.

Alan Fry · 21-02-2012, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Â£55 million has to cover wages as well as the fee and is only that high because of the sales of Nasri and Fabregas. You take out players going out and Arsenal break even. I agree it would great if the owner paid off the stadium and freed up that money. That would be great. It would instantly negate the need for CL football to break even, it would help first team investment.

The finances effectively mean that in the short term Wenger is still dependent on shipping players out in order to buy - unless we take on more debt or the owner finances it. Long term our commercial deals are under performing because long-term deals were signed almost a decade ago so when they expire that will go drastically up, additionally once the stadium is paid off then all the money also goes into the club. So it's looking rosy long term but in the short term Wenger doesn't have money to invest in the team beyond that raised by outgoing tranfers.

Or train more English players, that would help!

I do not think that Arsenal will take on more debt, but they might get better sponsorship deals!

thenry · 21-02-2012, 12:52

sponsorship deals are a year or two away. the club could cut the line by ending early.. that will depend on companies talking.

Damien i cant quote but ok the man does deserve credit for what hes donne but we cannot be dinasours living in the past. the fact hes screwed the payroll when repeatedly asked/told to buy as well as clear evidence the current players sucked.. their average is to me chioces that get you sacked. stubborn in his own ways hes ruined more than hes cured with this project of his.

denphone · 21-02-2012, 14:43

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17116060

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Manchester United says its revenues for the last six months of 2011 increased to Â£175m, as it released its latest financial figures.

It is an increase of Â£18.5m on the Old Trafford club's revenues for the same period last year.

The Premier League club said debt was Â£439m at the end of 2011, less than the Â£508m reported 12 months previously.

Last year, United said it would partially float on the Singapore Stock Exchange, but that has yet to happen.

denphone · 21-02-2012, 16:46

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17113685

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Chelsea captain John Terry faces up to eight weeks out with a knee injury, BBC Sport understands.

Terry took part in training ahead of Chelsea's Champions League last-16 tie against Napoli but it has emerged he could be sidelined until April.

The centre-back, who is set to undergo surgery, will also miss England's game with the Netherlands next Wednesday.

Terry was stripped of the England captaincy earlier this month, with Fabio Capello later resigning as coach.

**Damien** · 21-02-2012, 16:50

denphone could you refrain from posting multiple news stories a day without comment? I appreciate the effort but if people want to read the sports news they can go to the sites in question themselves. This thread is better served by discussion of those stories or to surface more obsure stories that people might otherwise miss. Cheers.

Cobbydaler · 21-02-2012, 18:49

http://manchester.craigslist.co.uk/spo/2827152434.html

denphone · 21-02-2012, 18:59

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17117785

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A leading group of Arsenal shareholders has questioned whether the club is "set up for the modern world".

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust has also called on American billionaire Stan Kroenke, who owns a majority stake in Arsenal, to "refresh the board".

"More infrastructure is needed around Arsene Wenger, or whoever the manager is," an AST spokesman told the BBC.

"It's a set-up dating from 1996, but without David Dein," he added referring to the club's ex-vice chairman.

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Kroenke is due to attend Arsenal's monthly board meeting on Thursday.

It should be a very interesting board meeting this thursday and there is no doubt in my mind that some things have to change even though l believe Wenger should be kept on as manager.

denphone · 21-02-2012, 21:40

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17121769

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Manchester City striker Carlos Tevez has apologised for his recent conduct following his touchline row with manager Roberto Mancini in September.

The 28-year-old returned to the club last week , following a self-imposed, three-month exile in Argentina.

"I wish to apologise sincerely and unreservedly to everybody I have let down and to whom my actions have caused offence," Tevez said in a statement.

He has also withdrawn his appeal against the club's misconduct charge.

The question has to be asked on why did it take so long to come to his senses and make this apology.

TheDaddy · 22-02-2012, 02:27

Brilliant news for Arsenal fans

Arsenal are ready to open fresh contract talks with winger Theo Walcott, midfielder Tomas Rosicky and striker Robin van Persie after the trio indicated they are keen to stay at the club.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/footbal...#ixzz1n3oKHSA6

Not so brilliant news for them

Arsene Wenger faces being left with just Â£10m to rebuild Arsenal

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ild-arsenal.do

thenry · 22-02-2012, 03:04

there was a fake article published by goal.com saying our ceo told van persie he'd have to stay. no quotes from Ivan but the famous close source quotes.

van persie will know hes now coming to an end to his career and will try squeeze every penny possible. Arsensl wont offer huge wages unless the wage bill is drastically changed... loads of players walk which needs to happen. if Arsenal cant get things right and continue to refuse to pay huge salaries regardless if money is available then van persie will leave its simple.

I hope in light of everythign gone on the sumer will see drastic changes.. flops gone etc.

Rosicky needs to be sold.. im against him getting a renewal.

theo.. hes demanding highrr wages but on what merit casn those demands be met. people are saying sell but i dont agree. i think hes been mismanaged like the rest of the squad. both sides must take responsibilty.

I think Wenger will change, this coming summer will/should transform our gaffer. Wenger probably wont go on holiday.. neithr will Ivan and whoever else needed to get thingsx done.

**Damien** · 22-02-2012, 09:35

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Originally Posted by thenry

there was a fake article published by goal.com saying our ceo told van persie he'd have to stay. no quotes from Ivan but the famous close source quotes.

The Van Persie story comes from the Telegraph. Goal.com then did their usual sourceless speculative article. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-the-club.html

I trust The Telegraph more than Goal.com.

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Very interesting article here on if it's actually wise to offer RVP a new deal: http://goonerboy.blogspot.com/2012/0...e-get-new.html

I don't agree with it completely, I think it would be too damaging. However the parallels to 2007 are interesting. Henry leaving saw the emergence of Fabregas from promising talent to one of the best players in Europe. We have a few very promising young players ready to make the step up, Wilshere, Chamberlain, Ramsey, Gibbs...

denphone · 22-02-2012, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Van Persie story comes from the Telegraph. Goal.com then did their usual sourceless speculative article. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-the-club.html

I trust The Telegraph more than Goal.com.

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Very interesting article here on if it's actually wise to offer RVP a new deal: http://goonerboy.blogspot.com/2012/0...e-get-new.html

I don't agree with it completely, I think it would be too damaging. However the parallels to 2007 are interesting. Henry leaving saw the emergence of Fabregas from promising talent to one of the best players in Europe. We have a few very promising young players ready to make the step up, Wilshere, Chamberlain, Ramsey, Gibbs...

Yes Wilshere and Chamberlain are players l believe are good enough to make the step up but l have to say that Ramsey does not convince at all and Gibbs defensively looks all at sea and on RVP l think Arsenal must hold on to him as in my mind as letting him go would be a very bad move in my opinion and would also send out a poor message about Arsenal ambitions for the future.