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[popper]

are you also on the BT part of VM.

we ned to find the best way to help you two capture the full data stream.

im looking for a livecd right now to help you boot a clean OS so as to be sure you can run and collect the data.

the question is were do you go to test it and get the required data the net tech guys can then use to pull th useful data off these data captures anyone ?

---------- Post added at 09:30 ---------- Previous post was at 09:28 ----------

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia

Would it be possible for some one to publish a list of standard letters, to ISP's & MP's

I am sorry if there is a list of standard letters, but I did not see it!

forget the letters right now tdadyslexia, if this is what we suspect its our chance to get the data everyones been waiting for.....
we will help you later OK.....

[Ursine]

I should have perhaps mentioned that I am a VM cable user and would appreciate any details on how to capture the info for later use.

Many thanks to all

[popper]

the BY part Ursine or somewere else, whats your UBR use the connection button at the top...

[Ursine]

Hi popper,
Sorry I am not much of a techie, I am having a bit of trouble understanding your last post.

Can you spell it out to me to avoid any confusion and perhaps destroy what what I would rather save securely .
Thanks

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by Ravenheart

It has since gone off a few times, and i now have a blocked list full of it.

Are you running Pete's Dephormation FF extension?
Do you think *that* be 'confusing' PG2?
Did you use any particular list or IPs with PG2?

I'm installing it now to try to replicate your results!

Well spotted, mate!

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by ceedee

Are you running Pete's Dephormation FF extension?
Do you think *that* be 'confusing' PG2?
Did you use any particular list or IPs with PG2?

I'm installing it now to try to replicate your results!

Well spotted, mate!

I had the same idea wondering if dephormation plugin would be involved in that but I have been running pg2 ever since this whole Phorm issue came to my attention and I have never seen Phorm come up blocked.

Have people read the new news on the register? Bt trials of 2007 may have involved up to 108,000 people not the 18,000 first reported.

[popper]

its ok, im just trying to find out if you and raven are on the same bit of VM network.

so as to try and work out if you both might be connected to the same kit or at least the same building at the other end of the VM cable wires.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/mi...?do=connection
if you both click that, you will get something like this
cpc3-bagu5-0-0-cust***.bagu.cable.ntl.com

i stared the cust No. out as it can identify me, and we dont need that bit anyway.

as you can see , im on the baguley5 kit, in the baguley area of the NTL section.

i assume you both might be in the same area of the BlueYonder section of VM cable network.

[Ravenheart]

I popped FF3 on last week and I haven't yet changed the 2 lines to make Dephormation work with FF3 beta 5

I'll fire up the old firefox and see if dephormation makes a difference with peer guardian in there.

[Ursine]

I'm sorry, looks as if it might have been a false alert, at least from me, due to the FF " Dephormation " plugin, I had installed it but disabled it.
I have now uninstalled the plugin compleatly and am no longer getting Phorm hits or being blocked from the BT forums.

Very sorry, but I usually depend on friends to do the tech stuff for me and didn't appreciate that just disabling the plugin would still give Phorm hits with Peer Guardian.

Bear

[popper]

raven did you click that and get your UBR , if its false positive then fine but if your both on the same UBR or in the same building then its looking like you might be DPI phormed and if so you really want to find a way to grab the data stream...

and at some point we are going to need a step by step guide to grabbing the data stream and what to do to get the data we want,if and when they do start the trial..

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by OF1975

Ok all new article on the register:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/14/bt_phorm_2007/

".....Today Phorm said the 2007 trial was actually performed on "tens of thousands" of lines. It refused to provide a specific figure, but at the absolute least there are 38,000 BT Retail customers unaware their communications have been allegedly criminally intercepted in the last two years. The number could be as high as 108,000."

The point that woke me up was

"Documents seen by The Register suggest that Phorm tests were performed at exchange level."

Does that mean that customers of non-dePhormed ISPs (Aquiss, for example) who use a BT line would have their data shoved over to Phorm anyway?

BTW please don't mention Jon Pertwee's Doctor to me. Someone told me some ideas for "slash" fiction the other night that have ruined my childhood...

[Ravenheart]

Ok, I've rebooted, and tried both FF 2.0.0.13 with Dephormation running and FF3 beta 5 without Dephormation and there's no sign of any Phorm activity.

Surely if it was the dephormation cookie it would fire peer Guardian off in FF2?

I'm all confused now (easily done)

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter

The point that woke me up was

"Documents seen by The Register suggest that Phorm tests were performed at exchange level."

Does that mean that customers of non-dePhormed ISPs (Aquiss, for example) who use a BT line would have their data shoved over to Phorm anyway?
{ snip }

Not only that but surely if it was carried out at an exchange level, then BT should be able to identify those involved in the trials?

Please correct me if I am wrong. As I have said before elsewhere I am not a techie as such. I am more of an enthusiastic and knowledgeable amateur rather than making my living as an IT pro so please do let me know if I am drawing the wrong conclusion.

[Ursine]

Ravenheart

I am using FF 2.0.0.13 and had the dephormation plugin installed but disabled, would that still trigger Phorm hits ?

My UBR cpc4-ruth3-0-0-cust ****.renf.cable.ntl.com

As I have mentioned previously I am not a techie, really don't want to be seen as one of the " tin-foil hat" crew and the day before the public meeting is not the right time to get side tracked down a dead end.


Bear

[popper]

they probably mean one of the 11 RAS's see #2175
"it appears they might have used the equivalent of a cable super head end to plug that DPA kit into, for DSL so thats one of the RAS."