European Terror Attacks

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

The only answer that I can think of is for every publication in the western world to agree to publish cartoons about mohammed on a daily basis until muslims grow up and stop chucking their toys out of the pram.

Tell me you don't seriously think the nutters will do that in the face of increased satire.....please?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

If the media continued to publish material designed to ridicule and offend Islam, would you be surprised if the nutter element carried out further attacks or actions against them?

No.

But if it wasn't that, they'd try and kill us for any other number of reasons because ........newsflash.......they don't like us, our religions, our culture and our general way of life.

So if we desist from publishing material that offends them, they'll take offence to us drinking and no doubt fire bomb pubs next. Do we ban drinking then? Do we make all women wear burkas because a bit of flesh offends them?

No doubt Marty the appeaser would approve of that.

We should not alter our behaviour one iota.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So if we desist from publishing material that offends them, they'll take offence to us drinking and no doubt fire bomb pubs next. Do we ban drinking then?

Have there been any instances of that?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Russ

Have there been any instances of that?

Close. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Russ

Have there been any instances of that?

Closest to that I can come up with quickly is:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...a-Islamic.html

Last year, a mob of 30 young Muslims stormed a local gay pub, the George and Dragon, beating and abusing patrons. Many customers of the pub told The Sunday Telegraph that they have been attacked and harassed by local Muslim youths.

And:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-Muslims.html

With various examples of threats and some low-grade violence.

[Russ]

No firebombs (as per the example) or deaths suggests maybe they don't consider it as much of a jihad-worthy crime against Islam.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

Have there been any instances of that?

near where I live there have cases of Muslims harassing girls due to their lack of clothing. Not forgetting the whole organised sex rings.

But fire bombing pubs no, I was speculating.

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Originally Posted by Russ

No firebombs (as per the example) or deaths suggests maybe they don't consider it as much of a jihad-worthy crime against Islam.

Not yet.

Of course, ISIS and some African factions will just kill you for being non-Muslim. actually ISIS will just kill you regardless.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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Pretty amused that, despite being part of the problem apparently, my position on this is largely supported by the former Archbishop of Canterbury, who advocates actively encouraging media to publish controversial material regardless of potential for causing offence to some Muslims.

That must make Lord Carey part of it too, so at least I'm in good and wide-ranging company

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

near where I live there have cases of Muslims harassing girls due to their lack of clothing. Not forgetting the whole organised sex rings.

But fire bombing pubs no, I was speculating.

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Not yet.

Of course, ISIS and some African factions will just kill you for being non-Muslim. actually ISIS will just kill you regardless.

OK. So bringing it back to the original point are you going to be surprised if further attacks and killings on media outlets occur if the organisations increase their satire against Islam?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

OK. So bringing it back to the original point are you going to be surprised if further attacks and killings on media outlets occur if the organisations increase their satire against Islam?

I already answered that.

I wouldn't be surprised that there are any future attacks. It would seem that attacks are planned and foiled all the time.

Some get through.

What they're pinning their reasons for the attacks on doesn't really matter.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I already answered that.

I wouldn't be surprised that there are any future attacks. It would seem that attacks are planned and foiled all the time.

Some get through.

What they're pinning their reasons for the attacks on doesn't really matter.

So if I'm understanding this right, you're in favour of our response being something that is likely to goad them in to more killing and attacks?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

So if I'm understanding this right, you're in favour of our response being something that is likely to goad them in to more killing and attacks?

No, I'm in favour of us being able to print, say and do anything we want within the law.

Regardless of how a certain section of society may perceive it.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

So if I'm understanding this right, you're in favour of our response being something that is likely to goad them in to more killing and attacks?

No.

it's a bit like little Johnny keeps getting his sister into trouble.
"Mummy... Louise is annoying me again!"

Only instead of mummy shouting "Will you stop annoying him or I'll ring your bloody neck!"
she now says "Oh shut up will you. you were playing with each other 2 seconds ago. either play together or I'll ring both your bloody necks!"

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

No.

it's a bit like little Johnny keeps getting his sister into trouble.
"Mummy... Louise is annoying me again!"

Only instead of mummy shouting "Will you stop annoying him or I'll ring your bloody neck!"
she now says "Oh shut up will you. you were playing with each other 2 seconds ago. either play together or I'll ring both your bloody necks!"

i dont like mummy

[Osem]

I don't think these nutters are really offended by cartoons, I think they're offended by the west and values they don't happen to agree with in general. They do however need a rallying cry - something which will resonate with Muslims in general and something the can use to 'justify' their actions with. If we stop publishing cartoons of their prophet they're not going to give up the fight and resume normal life happily with the rest of us, they'll simply focus on the next thing on the list that they decided grievously 'offends' them and justifies mass murder. That's how different they are from most of us.

As I've said many times before, anyone who doesn't believe in their ideals is a target and being a different type of Muslim is no protection as that poor French police officer found out. Kow-towing to their demands isn't going to solve the problem, it'll simply result in ever more extreme demands, ever more pressure to change our values and way of life in order that they may not be so 'offended' - give an inch they'll take a mile...