The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 4 - Page 21

**Damien** · 01-05-2010, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Osem

More bad news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8656353.stm

So the apology wasn't just about Brown being genuinely sorry and the public display of forgiveness was his idea - what a surprise that is...

Now I think we know why Brown was in there so long. I wonder if she has twist marks on her arms.......

To be honest I think the continued coverage of that gaff will backfire, like the 'disrespectful letter' story The Sun tried to do backfired.

When it happened it was amusing and a sign of just poor campaigning and the lack of sense. It was never especially out of order though, I can sympathize with the idea of saying one thing to someone and thinking something else privately. I imagine most of us do.

He should have phoned to say sorry, and said that it was a shame his private conversation was made public and moved on.

Xaccers · 01-05-2010, 23:45

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Originally Posted by Damien

To be honest I think the continued coverage of that gaff will backfire, like the 'disrespectful letter' story The Sun tried to do backfired.

It backfired? Since when?
I've been hearing people bring it up throughout the election, at work and out in the evening.

The latest heckler incident has shone some light into some of Brown's comments over Gillian's appearance, asking who's idea was it to have her, suggesting that meetings/appearances are staged to make him look good.

**Damien** · 01-05-2010, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

It backfired? Since when?
I've been hearing people bring it up throughout the election, at work and out in the evening.

Will backfire. Future tense. Most people will relate to the scenario and, while it was fun for a day, to make it into a central theme in the last week will look ridiculous and that is why I think it will backfire.

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The latest heckler incident has shone some light into some of Brown's comments over Gillian's appearance, asking who's idea was it to have her, suggesting that meetings/appearances are staged to make him look good.

Meh. I think the comment showed that the people who get ushered into the presence of one of the leaders are often hand-picked. I don't think it's unique to Labour.

danielf · 02-05-2010, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

suggesting that meetings/appearances are staged to make him look good.

If you think that's any different to the other parties' campaigns I suggest you think again.

Xaccers · 02-05-2010, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Damien

Will backfire. Future tense. Most people will relate to the scenario and, while it was fun for a day, to make it into a central theme in the last week will look ridiculous and that is why I think it will backfire.

It backfired? past tense, as in happened, ie the disrespectful letter that you claimed had backfired.

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Originally Posted by danielf

If you think that's any different to the other party's campaigns I suggest you think again.

I've been to several for Hague and Howard, wasn't picked, nor were those around me. They also didn't have burly cake loving bouncers (one of whom I know) drag any old men out into the street because they said unwanted truths.

**Damien** · 02-05-2010, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

It backfired? past tense, as in happened, ie the disrespectful letter that you claimed had backfired.

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Oh the letter. I am pretty sure that backfired. Most people seemed to comment it was nice he sent a handwritten letter. The fact he had poor handwriting was hardly an insult. People's reactions seemed to be that it was a non-story.

Xaccers · 02-05-2010, 00:21

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Originally Posted by Damien

Oh the letter. I am pretty sure that backfired. Most people seemed to comment it was nice he sent a handwritten letter. The fact he had poor handwriting was hardly an insult. People's reactions seemed to be that it was a non-story.

Funny, I've been hearing people insulting Brown over it; couldn't even take the time or effort to make it look decent, scribbled it down quickly because he obviously doesn't give a damn about the armed forces (that normally leads on to more comments about how he's screwed "our boys" over the years), couldn't be bothered to get the guy's name right, wasn't exactly appologetic on the phone and appeared to be basically telling Jacqui Janes she was wrong to be upset and should just shut up and do let him get it overwith so he could move on.

02-05-2010, 07:11

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

It backfired? Since when?
I've been hearing people bring it up throughout the election, at work and out in the evening.

The latest heckler incident has shone some light into some of Brown's comments over Gillian's appearance, asking who's idea was it to have her, suggesting that meetings/appearances are staged to make him look good.

And that Xaccers is the very argument the recent heckler was using, that it is all stage managed.
It is the same for ALL parties, I am not just taking issue with one party.
Lets see them walk into a pub in the middle of an oppositions territory without their PR team, and lets see what happens.
He was caught out doing what they all do, smiling in the face while stabbing in the back.
Anything to get power.
Career politicians the lot of them, nice salary package, pension taken care of, mortgage taken care of, all at the expense of the tax payer.
When I get home from work on Thursday the television will be unplugged, I just cannot bare the hype.

mikegreen · 02-05-2010, 09:17

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...troud-gay-cure

What a deluded woman she is and a "top Tory advisor" to boot...

Sirius · 02-05-2010, 09:29

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Originally Posted by mikegreen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...troud-gay-cure

What a deluded woman she is and a "top Tory advisor" to boot...

you can tell its close to the day of reckoning, All the crazy news reports from the bottom of the barrel start to show up

Ignitionnet · 02-05-2010, 09:49

I think we can expect all the papers to go into propaganda mode until Friday now.

**Hugh** · 02-05-2010, 09:51

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Originally Posted by mikegreen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...troud-gay-cure

What a deluded woman she is and a "top Tory advisor" to boot...

Whilst I disagree with her viewpoints and methodologies on LBGT issues (or what they were in the late 80's/early 90's, which is what is being reported on), may I also point out what someone in the article said

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"T" said he moved to Bedford because he believed the church could help him stop having homosexual thoughts. "I was trying to convince myself that a change was possible but, at the same time, a part of me didn't believe it was possible," he said. "The church's approach was not that it was sinful to be homosexual but that it was sinful to act on it. The aim is to get a person to a position where they don't have these sinful emotions and thoughts."
"T" said it was only after he "took a break" from the church that his depression lifted. "It was the church's attitude towards my sexuality that was the issue," he recalled.
"My impression is that she genuinely cares about people," he said of Stroud. "Her personal beliefs may get in the way sometimes, but she is a positive person."

How dare she genuinely care about people - that's not what we expect from our politicians.......

mikegreen · 02-05-2010, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I think we can expect all the papers to go into propaganda mode until Friday now.

Yep.

The mentality of the real Conservative agenda seeps through the cracks to reveal a more sinister shadow lurking behind DC's shiny "new" rhetoric.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Whilst I disagree with her viewpoints and methodologies on LBGT issues (or what they were in the late 80's/early 90's, which is what is being reported on), may I also point out what someone in the article said
How dare she genuinely care about people - that's not what we expect from our politicians.......

Caring for them is one thing.

Believing she can drive out demons is quite another.

nomadking · 02-05-2010, 10:42

The premise that sexuality can be changed is still present, in that paedophiles are handled in a manner that assumes that they can be treated. Eg Someone who thinks it right to rape a young boy is given a fixed term prison sentence, on the assumption that they will change.

Why don't we look into the past beliefs of Labour Ministers?

Osem · 02-05-2010, 10:46

Yes we need to watch out for those evil, wholly immoral, Tories or we'll wind up losing our civil liberties, having anti-terrorism laws used against us when we dare to show our dissent from the government view (or even just want to take a photo of Big Ben); finding we have to carry ID cards everywhere and having our DNA stored for years even when we're innocent....