[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by passingbat

If the remain side does win, in a few years time, I think there could be a lot of people wishing that they had read the Express.

The Express, to say the least, can be sensationalist, but leaving that aside, there is truth behind many of the things they say. After all, much of it lines up with the stated aims of the hierarchy behind the EU.

newspaper snobbery is all that some people have, it seems to make them feel special to quote from the chuffigton toast or the daily bowler hat . there the sort of people who go to the library and when asked what book they want reply that thick one [it will make me look clever ] if i leave with that in my hand .

[Bircho]

Originally Posted by Osem

Every nation has its idiots and far worse as we know so why would you be basing you opinion of our 'nation' on a relatively few drunk idiots? Isn't that as ridiculous as basing an opinion of all Muslims on ISIS?

I think you might find there are more than a few in this country think that way.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

If the remain side does win, in a few years time, I think there could be a lot of people wishing that they had read the Express.

The Express, to say the least, can be sensationalist, but leaving that aside, there is truth behind many of the things they say. After all, much of it lines up with the stated aims of the hierarchy behind the EU.

Two months ago the Express said we were going to have the longest ever heatwave. Eight weeks into the cricket season we have so far played two games. I think thats about the limit of the Express forecasting.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

lets have a go at making employment relatively high and loose the negativity that if hanging around your neck is weighing us all down try a good dose of when the economy grows .

My son and my daughter, who are both in their twenties, have always had jobs, with some periods of unemployment - both have worked in bars, restaurants, and offices.

The youth unemployment rate in the UK is around 13.7%, down from 15.9% a year ago - so nearly 7 out of 8 young people do have jobs....

http://researchbriefings.parliament....ummary/SN05871

Very few brexit supporters think the economy will sail on as before most of us realise there will be an economic hit during the transitional phase and yes Damien we know and understand the economy has an impact on the day to day lives of us all. Honestly the tone from remainers is so off putting in itself this righteous superiority that seems embedded in all remainers as though only they have a clue what's going on or how things work. As stated a few times before and as usual ignored, many put more value on independence and sovereignty and the fact that remain despite all their supposed intelligence can't grasp that fact is another reason your losing the argument.

Vote for short term economics if that's your big concern and let others vote for the things they feel more concern about but it would be really nice if superiority and patronism could be left out of it from all though lately remain has by far demonstrated those traits most often.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Bircho

I think you might find there are more than a few in this country think that way.

I think you might find that 'more than a few' isn't a representation of the majority and to imagine anything else is ridiculous. Characterising a nation based on a small number of football hooligans is utter nonsense. I think you need to take a look around and take note of how many good people there are around, for example ordinary people who give generously of their time and money to charities at home and very often overseas. Why not choose to characterise the UK by their morals, behaviour and spirit rather than a small bunch of drunken idiots?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Very few brexit supporters think the economy will sail on as before most of us realise there will be an economic hit during the transitional phase and yes Damien we know and understand the economy has an impact on the day to day lives of us all. Honestly the tone from remainers is so off putting in itself this righteous superiority that seems embedded in all remainers as though only they have a clue what's going on or how things work. As stated a few times before and as usual ignored, many put more value on independence and sovereignty and the fact that remain despite all their supposed intelligence can't grasp that fact is another reason your losing the argument.

Vote for short term economics if that's your big concern and let others vote for the things they feel more concern about but it would be really nice if superiority and patronism could be left out of it from all though lately remain has by far demonstrated those traits most often.

I think you are on a losing ticket if you are putting Leave on a platform of moral superiority. Both sides are as bad as each other.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

My son and my daughter, who are both in their twenties, have always had jobs, with some periods of unemployment - both have worked in bars, restaurants, and offices.

The youth unemployment rate in the UK is around 13.7%, down from 15.9% a year ago - so nearly 7 out of 8 young people do have jobs....

http://researchbriefings.parliament....ummary/SN05871

You are not Polish by any chance?

Oh for gods sake do you bother reading I said both but also said lately it's remain talking down to people as if they are simple and not just here it's happening in a few places where the debate is going on.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Oh for gods sake do you bother reading I said both but also said lately it's remain talking down to people as if they are simple and not just here it's happening in a few places where the debate is going on.

I was replying to a post that said young people are voting based on roaming fees so pointed out it is also the economy they're concerned about. That isn't talking down to people.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Oh for gods sake do you bother reading I said both but also said lately it's remain talking down to people as if they are simple and not just here it's happening in a few places where the debate is going on.

Unfortunately I do bother reading .. depressing isn't it?

YouGov have Leave 46% and Remain 39%

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is this kind of misinformation, fuelled by the right wing media, that will win the critical votes ..

Why would the Polish worker gets the job instead of the deserving "British" one?

Maybe they:

- work harder?
- do a better job?
- are willing to accept the pay that the BRITISH employer sets?
- are more punctual?

who knows ..

They often will work for less money

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

They often will work for less money

Maybe but who is setting their wages?

Also, a lot of jobs for young people are automatically set at the lowest legal wage so this factor is often removed ..

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Maybe but who is setting their wages?

People who are happy to pay less than the 'normal' rate.

[jamiefrost]

What really depresses me about all of this is the way facts are dissmissed out of hand so easily beacause they don't fit the narrative.

Lafarge was at it at the weekend on immigration after stating we need to get immigration down to 'original' levels... around 30,000 it was pointed out that half of the current immigration is on eu over which we have control and half of that figure is from family members of legitimate immigrants already resident. So that's more than enough to fulfill the quota.

So no more foreign doctors and nurses or any other professions then. I guess that's fine as I'm sure we have UK doctors and nurses just waiting for all of those jobs stolen by immigrants.

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