U.S Election 2020

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mick

[/COLOR]Incidentally, it came across my attention last night that the Trump International Hotel in Vancouver, Canada, that opened in 2017, has had to permanently close due to heavy losses and Covid. That said, after further digging, that hotel wasn’t actually run by Trump Organization, merely the company that ran it, used Trump brand on a license based agreement.

As does Richard Branson, the Virgin Brand is for sale, non-so obvious as Virgin Media.

Looks like the debate was a diaster.

CBS/YouGov's initial numbers give the debate to Biden: https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/s...49977499045890

CBS News/YouGov snap poll: Who won tonight's debate?

Biden: 48
Trump: 41
Tie: 10

Will be interesting to see if these numbers change based on coverage in next 24 hours, but Biden winning would be disastrous for Trump given current trajectory of the race.

But that could be a function of how low a bar Biden had to clear. Given all the talk of him having dementia and if he could even do the debate the fact he could turn up and speak in sentences probably helped him.

[1andrew1]

Apparently Trump's interruptions helped Biden. Instead of mis-speaking, the interruptions gave him a chance to avoid weak areas and to gather his thoughts.
As Sky News observed, the real loser was not Trump but the American public.

[papa smurf]

Andrew Neil mocks 'weak' Biden as Trump creates 'sleepy Joe bloodbath' in US debate


A clear win for Trump

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mp-coronavirus

[heero_yuy]

I had some sympathy for the moderator (Chris Wallace) with a pair like that.

Perhaps he should have got given a decent frack hammer.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Andrew Neil mocks 'weak' Biden as Trump creates 'sleepy Joe bloodbath' in US debate


A clear win for Trump

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mp-coronavirus

You need to give Pritti Patel her calculator back! The polls for this shambles of a debate were as Damien outlined.

In a debate that was the political equivalent of a food fight, the winner was the man who emerged least covered in slop.
On Tuesday night, that man was Joe Biden - if only because his main goal was to prove to Americans that he could hold up under pressure, that he had not lost a step due to his advancing age. He had to show he could take a pie to the face, metaphorically speaking, and keep his cool.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-presid...hcare-12085618

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You need to give Pritti Patel her calculator back! The polls for this shambles of a debate were as Damien outlined.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-presid...hcare-12085618

Did you actually watch the debate?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Apparently Trump's interruptions helped Biden. Instead of mis-speaking, the interruptions gave him a chance to avoid weak areas and to gather his thoughts.
As Sky News observed, the real loser was not Trump but the American public.

You know my views on Trump - they even get Mick going!

But, as a debate in front of the public, Trump came across better, imo.

Biden didn't fail but he didn't have the better of it except when he called Trump a 'clown'.

The thing with these debates is that it doesn't seem to matter who actually won on merit but who is perceived to have won afterwards which is where the expectations come in. Biden is currently seen to have won in each of the three post-debate polls that have been taken (at least from actual polling companies, not internet polls) and that may be because people thought he would have a dementia breakdown on stage. It might be because he is polling higher so has a % of people who like him/hate Trump he has an advantage when people are tasked who won the debate.

Biden is probably happier today since the debate disaster people were maybe expecting didn't happen and he his polling well generally. He doesn't want the state of the race to change and a narrow win/narrow loss/draw doesn't change it.

Of course Trump’s supporters think he won the debate. They don’t even know the South lost the Civil War.

@OhNoSheTwitnt

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You know my views on Trump - they even get Mick going!

But, as a debate in front of the public, Trump came across better, imo.

Biden didn't fail but he didn't have the better of it except when he called Trump a 'clown'.

Thing is, whatever we think about the relative performances of the two candidates, they were pitching to a US audience who thought differently from you. Trump's the underdog so he needed to get Biden to slip up, which he has been known to in the past. But his technique failed and the interruptions played out well for Biden.

Will be interesting to see if Trump tries a different technique next time round. Trump's tax revelations may have lulled some into a sense of security - he's shrewd and has bags of energy.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Thing is, whatever we think about the relative performances of the two candidates, they were pitching to a US audience who thought differently from you. Trump's the underdog so he needed to get Biden to slip up, which he has been known to in the past. But his technique failed and the interruptions played out well for Biden.

Will be interesting to see if Trump tries a different technique next time round. Trump's tax revelations may have lulled some into a sense of security - he's shrewd and has bags of energy.

Yes, of course.

But are the US audience so dumb as to think "ah, Biden didn't screw up - so I'll vote for him". They've prolly made up their minds in advance and were watching to see if there would be any fun & games.

Did the interruptions play out well for you, or the US audience who think differently?

In your opinion, will these debates affect the outcome? There was so little policy discussion.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes, of course.

But are the US audience so dumb as to think "ah, Biden didn't screw up - so I'll vote for him". They've prolly made up their minds in advance and were watching to see if there would be any fun & games.

Did the interruptions play out well for you, or the US audience who think differently?

In your opinion, will these debates affect the outcome? There was so little policy discussion.

If think if either stumbles then it might impact the vote slightly. A debate of policies it was not. It was more a hurdle each had to jump through. Most voters' minds are indeed probably made up.
We're seeing today the reporting of Trump's "Proud boys, stand back and stand " which from my solely UK stand point was a mistake It will be interesting to see if his lack of condemnation of white supremacist supporters last night will work against him or not.

[papa smurf]

David Bossie: Trump clearly defeats Biden in first presidential debate

To any reasonable person watching, it was clear that President Trump came prepared and resoundingly defeated former Vice President Joe Biden at Tuesday night’s first presidential debate in Cleveland.

You have to bring you’re “A” game to go toe-to-toe with the champ and unsurprisingly, Democratic presidential nominee Biden couldn’t compete. Sadly, that doesn’t matter to Biden’s allies in the liberal media who will ignore the facts as sure as the sun will rise in the morning.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/davi...dential-debate

<snigger>

Fox News commentator who was deputy head of Trump’s 2016 Presidential campaign, and is currently co-Chairman of Trump’s Maryland campaign, thinks Trump won the debate?

As he himself said

"I’ve been a proud supporter of President Trump from the beginning,” he wrote. “During the 2016 campaign, I had the privilege to serve as his deputy campaign manager, and since he’s been president it’s been my honor to help in any capacity I can. I look forward to continue working in support of President Trump’s agenda and his re-election in 2020 to keep America great.”

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