Virgin to give new Superhub out. - Page 20

qasdfdsaq · 31-12-2010, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Masque

I wish people would actually check before posting, first of all all modems and set top boxes remain at all times the property of Virginmedia so are covered for the complete term of your contract with regards faults.

Any other devices that are supplied such as wireless routers are only covered by the 2 year warranty period that you as a customer agree to in the Terms and Conditions of your Contract, after 2 years the router will be removed from the account listing and it is no longer supported by us and replacement is down to you.

I wish people would actually read before posting. I wasn't talking about VM or any of their rented gear. I was referring to purchasing electronic equipment outright, as Z implied by "if it belonged to you". Just because something "belongs to you" does not mean companies can sell you faulty products that break the day after you get it.

D-Link 'n' routers have an 11 year warranty, and again, it's still protected by fit-for-purpose laws whatever you claim the warranty period to be.

pip08456 · 31-12-2010, 18:25

D-Link routers bought form D-Link do.

Peter_ · 31-12-2010, 18:30

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

I wish people would actually read before posting. I wasn't talking about VM or any of their rented gear. I was referring to purchasing electronic equipment outright, as Z implied by "if it belonged to you". Just because something "belongs to you" does not mean companies can sell you faulty products that break the day after you get it.

D-Link 'n' routers have an 11 year warranty, and again, it's still protected by fit-for-purpose laws whatever you claim the warranty period to be.

You do realise that your post was a perfect sounding board and the comment was for readers in general.

All equipment supplied by Virginmedia including equipment like a router with a fee do not come under any selling regulations as they are not actually purchased.

As to Netgear or D Link supporting the routers after the 2 year lease period it is unlikely due to them having embedded Virginmedia firmware so that may nullify the 11 year warranty from D Link not I personally would ever use a router of that age.

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sniper007 · 31-12-2010, 21:14

Yawn. Can we keep this thread about discussing the new superhub in terms of it's capabilities and performance.

Sirius · 31-12-2010, 21:33

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Originally Posted by sniper007

Yawn. Can we keep this thread about discussing the new superhub in terms of it's capabilities and performance.

telfordcable · 01-01-2011, 01:17

Just pay off Â£75 fee by my debit card (I am now relief to get of the way) but superhub is brilliant, love every minutes of it. Wireless is spot on all times.

qasdfdsaq · 01-01-2011, 03:05

Lol. While the superhub isn't *bad* you can get a far better router for far less money.

sniper007 · 01-01-2011, 14:48

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Lol. While the superhub isn't *bad* you can get a far better router for far less money.

Not with an integrated cable modem all in one housing that will work on the Virgin network. That is the point in the superhub. Nobody is suggesting it is better than router X. The interest in the new super hub is because it is the first time Virgin have brought out an all in one modem/router and for a first bash, it looks to be a surprisingly good bit of kit even for "power" users, since it features just enough management features to get by for the majority of said power users.

The ability to minimize space and wires and power consumption having it all in one housing is also very welcome for many people. For me, the introduction of an integrated gigabit switch was a very wise move. Some people run a virgin modem, wireless router AND a gigabit switch. OK, so you can get wireless routers with integrated gigabit switches, but you do tend to pay more for them. Now from Virgin, you can get this new super hub that does it all and to be honest I would be willing to sacrifice a bit of performance and features in order to just use the super hub unit. The fact of the matter is, there is no trade off with it. The only bad thing so far mentioned is the SPI service which will be fixed with firmware.

I think a lot of people will instantly dismiss the superhub because they like to run their networks the way they currently do and will just pass the superhub off as more VM tat. That would be a mistake as so far it does seem perfectly adequate for a lot of peoples needs.

KingDaveRa · 01-01-2011, 14:57

I'm rather open to the idea of the Superhub, but my concern is they do with it like they have previously with the supplied modems, and like Sky et al do with their ADSL routers, which is to nobble them - I can fully understand it from their POV as it means the user can't fiddle, and tbh in most cases doesn't need to. Heck, back in the days of DSL I fiddled with my routers and broke the config, and was basically dead in the water until I flattened the whole config and started again! I even messed myself up when the upload upgrade came around as I'd put in some borked QOS settings which limited my speed to 768k no matter what. That took a bit of fiddling to figure out - the modem said 2 Meg up, but all the speedtests begged to differ! But I've always been aware of that when fiddling - I break it, it's my problem. There's plenty of people out in the user base who will break something without realising it, then blame the ISP (I've seen people do this).

So if the Superhub does give a reasonable amount of room to fiddle then that's fine, as long as it does one day give the ability to run in bridged mode so those of us who insist on running a DD-WRT router or something, can.

pip08456 · 01-01-2011, 15:07

Bridge mode should be enabled with a firmware update soon. Why it was never done in the fist place I'll never know.

Don't forget though mummy Virgin knows what's best for you!

qasdfdsaq · 01-01-2011, 15:57

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Originally Posted by sniper007

Not with an integrated cable modem all in one housing that will work on the Virgin network. That is the point in the superhub. Nobody is suggesting it is better than router X. The interest in the new super hub is because it is the first time Virgin have brought out an all in one modem/router and for a first bash, it looks to be a surprisingly good bit of kit even for "power" users, since it features just enough management features to get by for the majority of said power users.

Completely disagree.

First off, this is not the first time Virgin have brought out an all-in-one modem/router. The standard (non-super) Hub was out before, and it was a disaster.

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The ability to minimize space and wires and power consumption having it all in one housing is also very welcome for many people. For me, the introduction of an integrated gigabit switch was a very wise move. Some people run a virgin modem, wireless router AND a gigabit switch. OK, so you can get wireless routers with integrated gigabit switches, but you do tend to pay more for them.

You can still get a router with integrated gigabit switches, simultaneous dual-band wireless, a USB port for file/printer sharing, and full support for custom firmware for LESS than you're paying VM for the Superhub (if paying for the Superhub)

As for space, I don't care how much space it saves if it doesn't do anything useful.

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Now from Virgin, you can get this new super hub that does it all and to be honest I would be willing to sacrifice a bit of performance and features in order to just use the super hub unit. The fact of the matter is, there is no trade off with it. The only bad thing so far mentioned is the SPI service which will be fixed with firmware.

There's a huge amount of tradeoff. Maybe you can live without it, some "power users" can't. For one, no custom firmware. Which means no flexibility. Can't run servers on it. Can't run VPN on it. Can't run DDNS on it. Can't run WDS on it. Can't run a WOL daemon on it. Can't run custom QOS engines on it. No bandwidth monitoring. No usage monitoring.

No simultaneous dual-band. Which means either my phone can connect at full performance or my laptop, not both.

No USB port, so no multi-homing or backup connection via 3G.

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I think a lot of people will instantly dismiss the superhub because they like to run their networks the way they currently do and will just pass the superhub off as more VM tat. That would be a mistake as so far it does seem perfectly adequate for a lot of peoples needs.

Not for my needs.

So like I said, if you're going to spend Â£75 on a wireless router/gigabit switch there are far better options than paying it to VM for the Superhub. Plus if you bought your own it'd still work if/when you switch to another ISP.

KingDaveRa · 01-01-2011, 16:03

Bear in mind, the Superhub incorporates a DOCSIS modem, which you can't just go and buy yourself. So it will save space and a certain amount of power, no matter what. Unless your router is running on Gumstix or something that is.

qasdfdsaq · 01-01-2011, 16:04

Depends how much power the Superhub uses. Yes it'll save physical space over a 50meg modem + most dedicated routers, but it's bigger than a small modem + a small router tbh.

PhusioNMCR · 01-01-2011, 17:56

Wow, all im reading on this thread is power, what power comsumption off a router, what do you do when your tumble dryer turns on????

if your worried about power goto 20mb, the money you save can go towards the electric you use to power your hub

me, i want a modem like how the 50mb gear is, why change it,,, ohhh daft question, makes it easier for virgin to tech support it when its playing up i suppose

but i use my own router and will never trust what vm class as a router, for that matter any isp, i will always use my own router, i want flexablity, Qos, 3g/usb support, HW firewall, VPN, etc and i know this super hub wont be upto the task of what i want,

so in other words its ok for the average user but for a user like me im gonna have to run 2 routers, can see some people sweating over how much power its gonna use

sniper007 · 01-01-2011, 23:43

I used to have the same exact attitude. I used to run Tomato custom firmware and said to myself that I would never run anything out of the box provided by VM. However, a lot of the features people mention, for me personally, just are not that important to me.

QOS I just do not use. With a 50mb connection I just don't ever personally need QOS and that's even running downloads/torrents without even managing the upload, aka abusing the line.

3G/USB support I will never use personally. It has some firewall features built in. As for VPN, I can get by using a software client and in terms of bandwidth monitoring, again, with a 50mb connection I just never really need to be anal about checking anything like that. Dual band simultaneous wireless is again not something I use, as anything I care about being fast I hard wire over gigabit ethernet.

I would be the first to turn my nose up at something that was not fit for my needs, but frankly with the superhub I can now get by. Ok so you aren't going to save A LOT with the lower power consumption of one less electric box, but it all helps. The less clutter of wires/power/heat I can get away with the better for me in my environment.

Perhaps if you had to pay Â£75 for it it's not such a good deal. But I'm certainly not complaining having got one as a replacement and I'm confident I can do away with my old routers.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Completely disagree.

First off, this is not the first time Virgin have brought out an all-in-one modem/router. The standard (non-super) Hub was out before, and it was a disaster.

Ah yes they did bring out the other hub didn't they. Fair enough. I have read of it being bad but I do not have any experience of it so cannot comment.