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Gary L · 03-05-2009, 19:05

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Originally Posted by martyh

and in this specific case (because i know what the girl was upto)i do think the parents should shoulder some responsibility for allowing her to hang about a park late at night with a load of other kids on a school night
her own actions contributed to the accident just as much as the officers

and incase your wondering about my sources for my info it is my oldest son who goes to school with the kids

Oh give it a rest.

xpod · 03-05-2009, 19:08

We`ll also have to agree to disagree then it seems martyh.
You believe it was a terrible accident that is partially the parents fault and i believe the complete opposite.I dont believe it could ever be called an accident and i certainly dont believe the offender was given long enough.
The parents being in any way responsible for this death by dangerous driving is,again,not something i cant agree with either i`m afraid.

To me,a policeman driving his vehicle the way this guy did,where he did,is just as irresponsible as someone with a shotgun license walking down the same road letting shots off willy nilly and hoping they dont hit someone.Same principle different weapon.

SMG · 03-05-2009, 19:12

This was not an accident. It was death by dangerous driving. No advanced driver would say otherwise. The courts ruled it so, & sent the driver to prison.

End of.

Gary L · 03-05-2009, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Those 20 seconds has cost a girl her life but he wasn't out with the express intention of killing someone and his driving was in no way dangerous or unprofessional till that point.

He was doing approx 90mph at the brow of that hill, and you actually see 2 people (1 being Hayley) already starting to cross the road.
if he had his lights and sirens on she wouldn't have already started crossing the road.

He should know that road, and will know that the hill is a 'blind' spot. he'll know that there's a junction bang after that hill.

Derek · 03-05-2009, 19:18

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Originally Posted by Gary L

if he had his lights and sirens on she wouldn't have already started crossing the road.

Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know for sure.

(Some people have the amazing ability to mistake a fully battenburged up Police car for a taxi or something that miraculously won't hit them as they wander across a road at night. Must be something in the cheap alco-pops that affects the eyesight)

Gary L · 03-05-2009, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know for sure.

(Some people have the amazing ability to mistake a fully battenburged up Police car for a taxi or something that miraculously won't hit them as they wander across a road at night. Must be something in the cheap alco-pops that affects the eyesight)

Yep, whatever Derek.

xpod · 03-05-2009, 19:35

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(Some people have the amazing ability to mistake a fully battenburged up Police car for a taxi or something that miraculously won't hit them as they wander across a road at night. Must be something in the cheap alco-pops that affects the eyesight)

Extremely amazing ability that would have been,especially to have seen it coming from over that hill.

03-05-2009, 19:51

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Originally Posted by xpod

We`ll also have to agree to disagree then it seems martyh.
You believe it was a terrible accident that is partially the parents fault and i believe the complete opposite.I dont believe it could ever be called an accident and i certainly dont believe the offender was given long enough.
The parents being in any way responsible for this death by dangerous driving is,again,not something i can agree with either i`m afraid.

To me,a policeman driving his vehicle the way this guy did,where he did,is just as irresponsible as someone with a shotgun license walking down the same road letting shots off willy nilly and hoping they dont hit someone.Same principle different weapon.

that's your view and i respect and agree with it upto a point
there was a case about 4yrs ago on stamfordham rd (about a mile and a half away from said incident)were a 7yr old was killed by a speeding motorist he got 5yrs and a 5yr ban, now he deservered to be tried on murder what he did was totally unnessesary, he was just late for his tea

Peter_ · 03-05-2009, 20:14

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Originally Posted by martyh

if you read my post properly you will see i have'nt "blamed the victim"i am saying that other people are to blame aswell they must share responsibility
and yes it was an accident or do you think it was murder because that's the only other option you have left yourself

The post below says it all and he has trained advanced police drivers.

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Originally Posted by SMG

This was not an accident. It was death by dangerous driving. No advanced driver would say otherwise. The courts ruled it so, & sent the driver to prison.

End of.

As I said accidents do not happen at 94MPH on suburban streets it was not murder I agree but manslaughter, but not accidental.

You did not blame Hayley ( the victims name ) but her parents, for her being out late which still does not detract from the fact that he killed her while driving at 94MPH so at that speed it was never an accident by any stretch of the imagination.

03-05-2009, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Moldova

The post below says it all and he has trained advanced police drivers.

As I said accidents do not happen at 94MPH on suburban streets it was not murder I agree but manslaughter, but not accidental.

You did not blame Hayley ( the victims name ) but her parents, for her being out late which still does not detract from the fact that he killed her while driving at 94MPH so at that speed it was never an accident by any stretch of the imagination.

agree about the manslaughter ,but i still believe there should be a degree of sympathy for the officer because despite a lack of judgement he did not mean to kill anyone and i'm sure regrets his actions
there are a lot more people out there deserving of our hate than him

Derek · 03-05-2009, 20:31

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Originally Posted by xpod

Extremely amazing ability that would have been,especially to have seen it coming from over that hill.

I wasn't referring especially to this case (although I don't think hearing is blocked by hills) but in general people think the lights and sirens are enough to make everyone behave in a sensible manner and I can assure you that they don't.

Gary L · 03-05-2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by martyh

but i still believe there should be a degree of sympathy for the officer because despite a lack of judgement he did not mean to kill anyone and i'm sure regrets his actions
there are a lot more people out there deserving of our hate than him

Yes Martyh. can we sign anything to get him out of prison and back to his life quicker?

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Originally Posted by Derek S

I wasn't referring especially to this case (although I don't think hearing is blocked by hills) but in general people think the lights and sirens are enough to make everyone behave in a sensible manner and I can assure you that they don't.

You should have been his defence lawyer. you could have argued that sirens and lights make some people behave in a non sensible manner

03-05-2009, 21:04

[QUOTE=Gary L;34787873]Yes Martyh. can we sign anything to get him out of prison and back to his life quicker?

not biting

Peter_ · 03-05-2009, 21:25

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Originally Posted by martyh

agree about the manslaughter ,but i still believe there should be a degree of sympathy for the officer because despite a lack of judgement he did not mean to kill anyone and i'm sure regrets his actions
there are a lot more people out there deserving of our hate than him

I am glad to see that you are not refering to this as an accident any more

I do not hate him as I do not know him, but I hate what he did and know how angry I would be if it was my daughter.

03-05-2009, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Moldova

I am glad to see that you are not refering to this as an accident any more

I do not hate him as I do not know him, but I hate what he did and know how angry I would be if it was my daughter.

i thought manslaughter meant unintentional death which could mean accident

but i take your point

i also would feel different if it was a member of my family or a close friend but the fact is it wasn't so i have no idea how they feel i can only guess how i would react and god willing i will never find out so i can look at this from both sides and feel that the sentence he got was about right
the other case i mentioned in an earlier post i feel the driver should have got a much heavier sentence(possibly 25yrs)but he got 5yrs for what i concider a much more serious crime