Funding of the BBC

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Pierre

until they start earning money, good money and see themselves paying back all those loans, and all those taxes and then it's usually a swerve to the right.

I forgot to mention putting your hands on your hips and bend your knees in tight..................

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...out-what-means

This basically equates conservative to mean fundamentalist religious type which I think lacks nuance as to what a conservative is.

For the record I don't think I really have a conservative temperament. The most conservative person I know is actually a liberal democrat candidate.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Interesting article in that subject from 2017.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...out-what-means

Basically says most Lecturers and faculties are left biased and promote those views. Some Conservative students still do well despite this.

No recent data (10years +)

Left leaning students tend to stay in academia longer

Right leaning students tend to go for more business subjects, and subjects that pay more in a career.

I don't really think it's very insightful report.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The licence fee is indeed doomed. From the Daily Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...unding-battle/

One minister said: “There is real optimism that the BBC will come up with a palatable alternative to the licence fee themselves.

“Tim Davie seems to be open to the idea of a subscription model and his background would certainly suggest that"

No it isn’t.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54014210

The BBC's new director general has said he doesn't support any switch from the licence fee to a subscription service.
In his first speech since taking over, Tim Davie said such a change "would make us just another media company" that serves only "the few" ...
”For the avoidance of doubt, I do not want a subscription BBC that serves the few," Davie said during the speech in Cardiff.
"We could make a decent business out of it, and I suspect it could do quite well in certain postcodes, but it would make us just another media company serving a specific group."

Mr Davie indicates what I’ve always believed. You can’t build a mass-market tv service with high penetration in British homes based on subscriptions. There is no example of it in the British media industry. Subscription products are inherently niche, and as the new DG sees the BBC as continuing to serve the entire country he is not going to propose a subscription model when charter negotiation begins in earnest.

Interestingly, and chiming with the other strand of this discussion, what he does want to do in pursuit of a respected, reliable BBC with mass appeal, is to

“renew our commitment to impartiality", he said.
Impartiality is "the very essence of who we are" and is possible to achieve even in polarised times.
"It is not simply about left or right. This is more about whether people feel we see the world from their point of view. Our research shows that too many perceive us to be shaped by a particular perspective."
He added: "If you want to be an opinionated columnist or a partisan campaigner on social media then that is a valid choice, but you should not be working at the BBC."
New social media guidelines for presenters and staff will be "rigorously enforced", he said.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Exactly. What's more, those that criticise them with an accurate description such as "woke" and "lefty" draw Hugh's disapproval.

{”Freedom of speech’ does not mean "can’t be criticised for what I say"...

Sounds like you are trying to restrict freedom of speech by saying people can’t disapprove of what others say...

FYI, I disapprove of "gammon" as much as "woke" and "lefties", because, as I said earlier, it’s name-calling, not debating.

You move the Overton Window your way, then accuse people who used to be called "moderates" lefties.

[telegramsam]

My personal view is I don't care whether the BBC is run by lefties,righties or aliens from Mars! All I say is scrap this unfair TV licence and fund the BBC by advertising or subscription. Or perhaps all those that agree with the licence carry on sending money to the BBC.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by telegramsam

My personal view is I don't care whether the BBC is run by lefties,righties or aliens from Mars! All I say is scrap this unfair TV licence and fund the BBC by advertising or subscription. Or perhaps all those that agree with the licence carry on sending money to the BBC.

Sounds about right!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

{”Freedom of speech’ does not mean "can’t be criticised for what I say"...

Sounds like you are trying to restrict freedom of speech by saying people can’t disapprove of what others say...

FYI, I disapprove of "gammon" as much as "woke" and "lefties", because, as I said earlier, it’s name-calling, not debating.

You move the Overton Window your way, then accuse people who used to be called "moderates" lefties.

A key difference is that the terms "woke", "Liberal", and "left" come from those groups themselves. They can't very well complain about using labels, they themselves created.

Eg May sound surprising, but the term "woke" originated with those that refer to themselves as being "woke". "Woke" people refer to themselves as that, as a "badge of honour", not a criticism. They use it to set themselves apart, and on a supposedly "higher" plane. By implication they are disparaging those they consider not to be "woke".

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

{”Freedom of speech’ does not mean "can’t be criticised for what I say"...

Sounds like you are trying to restrict freedom of speech by saying people can’t disapprove of what others say...

FYI, I disapprove of "gammon" as much as "woke" and "lefties", because, as I said earlier, it’s name-calling, not debating.

You move the Overton Window your way, then accuse people who used to be called "moderates" lefties.

That's a hughe stretch you've made. Why on earth would I want to restrict freedom of speech?

It's the BBC that has slanted free speech, for example by ensuring it's 4:1 against Farage on Question Time with a lefty dominated audience to jeer as appropriate.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That's a hughe stretch you've made. Why on earth would I want to restrict freedom of speech?

It's the BBC that has slanted free speech, for example by ensuring it's 4:1 against Farage on Question Time with a lefty dominated audience to jeer as appropriate.

Nigel Farage was once an obligatory fixture on Question Time for the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. Inevitably, one of those many appearances would have left-wing audience members in it.
That was then and it has acknowledged its errors. The new Director General seems to be making the right noises so I will give it the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Nigel Farage was once an obligatory fixture on Question Time for the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. Inevitably, one of those many appearances would have left-wing audience members in it.
That was then and it has acknowledged its errors. The new Director General seems to be making the right noises so I will give it the benefit of the doubt for now.

Fair enough.

[GrimUpNorth]

I don't think the BBC or the license is going anywhere. There are many 'older' viewers who don't have or want subscription TV and just happen to be true blue and vote Conservative.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I don't think the BBC or the license is going anywhere. There are many 'older' viewers who don't have or want subscription TV and just happen to be true blue and vote Conservative.

There are plenty of socially conservative Labour voters as well. The BBC isn’t the preserve of the blue rinse brigade.

Originally Posted by Chris

There are plenty of socially conservative Labour voters as well. The BBC isn’t the preserve of the blue rinse brigade.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Chris

There are plenty of socially conservative Labour voters as well. The BBC isn’t the preserve of the blue rinse brigade.

Exactly.