Merged: London Broadband. - Page 2

binary · 02-07-2003, 21:00

Gogogo- when I said criticism I meant it in the legitimate, constructive criticism sense - helpful criticism that progresses discussions on - rather than the harsh, unnecessary sence of criticism.

Ditto- I also agree the issue should not die. Perhaps this thread could be where that issue is kept in the lime-light.

Greater London is really big, and has a big demand for broadband.

02-07-2003, 21:03

I just read somewhere (NO not on .COM) that some firm called BULLDOG are starting a 6Mb service on their London network. This is to cost about ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£180 per month.

Mark W · 02-07-2003, 21:13

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Originally posted by binary

Can you clarify what you mean in the above sentence Mark- are you referring just to the postcodes you cited, or to the NTL network in London as a whole?

i was referring to those postcodes only im afraid. and i mean imminent, as we have been given instructions what to do with broadband customers calling with those postcodes.....

poolking · 02-07-2003, 21:13

May I suggest you carry on posting in here, as it appears to be discussing the same issue:

http://www.nthellworld.co.uk/forum/s...=&threadid=548

binary · 02-07-2003, 21:26

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Originally posted by poolking
May I suggest you carry on posting in here, as it appears to be discussing the same issue:

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No, please don't suggest that!

The whole point of creating this thread was because it is not merely a South London issue. The thread you cite is called "BB in South London This Year?".

I have tried to move discussion from that thread over to this one. If you read what I've written in my previous posts, I've explained this.

(2) Mark W - a question. Broadband is imminent in the postcodes you quoted, however can you tell us anything about broadband coming to other postcodes in London?

I was under the impression that some areas had such bad under-street coaxial cabling that they'd never be able to support a broadband service, at least not until that cabling had been improved.

If this is the case are there any plans to improve the cabling?

binary · 02-07-2003, 21:31

Thanks for the reply Mark. I am, unfortunately, not in any of those postcodes.

I've asked you a question on the "Still waiting for London Broadband" thread here, where I'm trying to migrate this discussion towards (as this is a whole-London issue, rather than just a south London one).

Mark W · 02-07-2003, 21:39

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Originally posted by binary
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(2) Mark W - a question. Broadband is imminent in the postcodes you quoted, however can you tell us anything about broadband coming to other postcodes in London?

I was under the impression that some areas had such bad under-street coaxial cabling that they'd never be able to support a broadband service, at least not until that cabling had been improved.

If this is the case are there any plans to improve the cabling? [/B]

To be honest, i cant answer that. not WONT, cant.

I fix peoples connection to the internet, sort their pc settings and help with their email and webspace - and a few other bits and bobs.

I'd probably be the last person to be told about whats being done in london, and i certainly dont know what is being planned.

As im not in control of the facts, im not prepared to speculate, sorry binary

binary · 02-07-2003, 21:44

Thanks for the reply anyway, it's an honest answer! Your original post regarding the broadband service going live in those postcodes was surely good news for some I'm sure. I hope you'll be able to keep us on NTHW.co.uk posted on similar developments in the future.

Perhaps BBKing (who is or was involved in London broadband rollout), or indeed someone else in the know, can enlighten us with regards to the state of the network?

bigitup_j · 02-07-2003, 21:47

well broadband trials in london have gone very very well, in other words it works (see ntl have been doing upgrades to enable the services) and are almost complete. so an autumn release of bb to south london (which includes parts of bromley, the bits on the boarder with lewisham) is likely and should happen. all good news from ntl.

bigitup_j · 02-07-2003, 21:54

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Originally posted by retep
I just read somewhere (NO not on .COM) that some firm called BULLDOG are starting a 6Mb service on their London network. This is to cost about ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£180 per month.

ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£180, that all!

but why would someone want 6mb, unless there are about 10 computers using the same connection or something. i'm quite happy on 150k (well 250k cause it's via stb).

and. south london is supposedly is of better quality, so north london might have to wait a bit more. and it looks like the postcodes mentioned before are in southeast london, but i have heard of trials in southwest london (like lambeth and southwark). so looks like bye-bye dial-up and hello

bb in london very soon!

Dazz285 · 03-07-2003, 00:23

Hi guys & gals,
I got this reply from Chris Collinson yesterday... only took 3 weeks to reply..

We had hoped to be able to launch the broadband service in your area some time ago. We have completed exhaustive tests on the network within the Harrow area and I can confirm that at the moment we have no plans to launch Broadband in your area. ntl:home will continue to invest in the network to enable us to provide more homes with a broadband service across London and I will be in touch with you as soon as there is any positive news. I can only apologise for any inconvenience this may be causing in relation to your current internet experience.

I sent a reply asking what the results of these exhaustive test were and also asked that if ntl are continuing to invest in the network then why are they not investing in Harrow?

As soon as I get a reply I'll post it..

03-07-2003, 00:44

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Originally posted by binary

Also this thread is veering wildly off-topic! On which note I shall say this...

(2) dieselking- Your mate might be living in a place called Bromley-by-Bow, which is in the east end of London.
However (confusingly) Bromley (the place), to the southeast of London, has a Kent postal address, but is within Greater London and is in the London Borough of Bromley. It is not within the boundaries of Kent County Council.
Bromley (the place) is obviously within the London Borough of Bromley.

Many places on the periphery of Greater London are in a sitiation similar to this, both being a part of (Greater) London and also notionally a part of an adjacent county (at least in a postal address sense). Bromley is regarded a town in it's own right, even though there are no green fields that seperate it from the sprawl of London. (Thats not to say that there's no green field though, as any Londoner will tell you there are plenty of significant open spaces, woods and parks in London.)

That answer probably confuses things more than it clears them up though!

Thank you

Sorry to lead this thread off track

hawkmoon · 03-07-2003, 12:48

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Originally posted by retep
I just read somewhere (NO not on .COM) that some firm called BULLDOG are starting a 6Mb service on their London network. This is to cost about ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£180 per month.

Bulldog already offer a 4Mb ADSL service which they call Primetime. This means that between Mon - Fri 6pm to 8am, allday weekends and public holidays you get 4Mb downstream. All other times are 512Kb.

They are charging around ÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£80pm for this I think.

The upstream is 400Kbps and it is a 50:1 contention service.

hawkmoon · 03-07-2003, 12:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Dazz285
Hi guys & gals,
I got this reply from Chris Collinson yesterday... only took 3 weeks to reply..

We had hoped to be able to launch the broadband service in your area some time ago. We have completed exhaustive tests on the network within the Harrow area and I can confirm that at the moment we have no plans to launch Broadband in your area. ntl:home will continue to invest in the network to enable us to provide more homes with a broadband service across London and I will be in touch with you as soon as there is any positive news. I can only apologise for any inconvenience this may be causing in relation to your current internet experience.

I sent a reply asking what the results of these exhaustive test were and also asked that if ntl are continuing to invest in the network then why are they not investing in Harrow?

As soon as I get a reply I'll post it..

Well both of the STB's have managed to regain their IP address's and can see the UBR's. The second STB is holding at 56dBmV return power.

I don't know what the problem is in Harrow, but it is clear that most of the STB's I have seen are able to establish a connection with the UBR's and obtain an IP address.

rippedoff · 03-07-2003, 13:58

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Originally posted by bigitup_j
and. south london is supposedly is of better quality, so north london might have to wait a bit more. and it looks like the postcodes mentioned before are in southeast london, but i have heard of trials in southwest london (like lambeth and southwark). so looks like bye-bye dial-up and hello bb in london very soon!

Let's hope so, but I ASK AGAIN... can anyone out there confirm or deny this in a semi-official capacity?