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Old 26-11-2003, 12:51   #16
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Re: What is Huntley playing at...??

Going down, going down, going down...

Big Bubba is going to have his fun with Huntley. If he lives long enough once inside.
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Old 26-11-2003, 12:59   #17
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With good behaviour he'll be out in 3.
3 what, pieces?
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Old 26-11-2003, 13:26   #18
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This other red car was a Huntly creation, not another guy.

I belive this is all a tactic to get a manslaughter conviction not a murder conviction, thus less time inside. With good behaviour he'll be out in 3.
No there was another guy who claimed he had seen a man with two girls in a red car figting,

He claimed it was holly and jessica.

And was suspiciously hangin around the invesitgation.

Like huntley.

He got charged with wasting police time I beleive and its not the man from plymouth.
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Old 26-11-2003, 14:53   #19
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3 what, pieces?
years
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Old 26-11-2003, 15:36   #20
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Re: What is Huntley playing at...??

the way I see it

he should do life (poor substitute for death which I am all for)
simply for the way he treated the bodies as a charge in itself
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Old 26-11-2003, 16:01   #21
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Re: What is Huntley playing at...??

Huntley was on rape charge

Soham accused Ian Huntley was charged with rape in 1998, his Old Bailey murder trial heard today.

The jury heard details of a police statement made by his ex-girlfriend Maxine Carr on August 17 last year after the couple were both arrested on suspicion of the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

In the statement, Carr said: "The reason why I told the police I was at home was because my partner Ian, he was accused in 1998 of attacking a girl, of raping a girl."

She said the case went to court and that he was "acquitted" but that he subsequently suffered "a nervous breakdown".

The prosecution alleges that Carr gave Huntley a false alibi for the day the ten-year-old girls went missing, Sunday, August 4 last year. Their bodies were found 13 days later.

Carr, a former classroom assistant at the girls' primary school, had initially told police she was with Huntley in Soham the weekend the girls disappeared. In the interview she revealed that she had been in Grimsby.

Carr said the reason she had not told the truth was because her partner "was accused in 1998 of attacking a girl, raping a girl".

She said: "He was put in prison or a bail hostel or whatever."

Carr said he was cleared when "police came up with a video of him in a nightclub at the time it was supposed to have happened". But she said that he then had a "nervous breakdown".

Carr told the police in the interview: "When I found out he was the last person to speak to them (the girls) I just did not know what to do."

She said Huntley had told her to tell the police that she was in Grimsby. Carr said Huntley had told her he had "not done anything".

She told officers: "He just hasn't done anything. He just doesn't do anything like that."

She described speaking to Huntley on Monday and he told her he had been out all night searching with the police.

Carr said Huntley rang her all weekend because she had an eating disorder and he wanted to make sure she was eating.

Earlier, the jury heard a pathologist cast doubt on Huntley's account of how they died.

Home Office pathologist Nat Cary said it was "unlikely at the least" Holly could have drowned in Huntley's bath as a result of a fall.

He also expressed surprise that there was no evidence of Holly's blood on her top or elsewhere if she had gone to the bathroom because of a severe nosebleed, as Huntley claims.

The Old Bailey jury heard former school caretaker Huntley's version of events for the first time yesterday.

His lawyer Stephen Coward QC said Huntley claimed Holly died after falling into his water-filled bath as he tried to treat her for a nosebleed.

Jessica died as Huntley put his hands over her mouth to try to stop her screams, the court heard.

The admissions yesterday came as Dr Cary gave evidence about the state of the girls' bodies when they were found, 13 days after they vanished on August 4 last year.

The jury has heard that Huntley admits putting the two lifeless 10-year-olds in his red Ford Fiesta and driving them to the remote ditch near Lakenheath, Suffolk, where their bodies were found.

The prosecution alleges that Huntley murdered the two girls, but says it cannot put forward a definitive version of events after they entered his home, sometime after 6.30pm on Sunday August 4.

Dr Cary said yesterday Huntley's version of events had never been put to him before and he was given permission to study it last night and discuss it with the forensics officers who examined Huntley's house.

Today Dr Cary told the court that drowning in bathrooms usually happened when people were drunk or on drugs.

He added that he was not aware of any previous cases where someone was drowned in such a confined space when there were two other people present.

He continued: "It does seem unlikely at the least that a fit 11-year-old girl (sic) could have slipped into a pre-run bath of water and drowned in the presence of two others. Why no rescue of Holly?

"Drowning would take some time, it's not instantaneous. The restraint, the covering of the nose and mouth of Jessica prevented her, I would suggest, from being able to rescue her friend from the bath, if that's what happened."

Dr Cary then turned to the description of what happened to Jessica.

The expert said he would normally associate smothering with the elderly or the very young, meaning infants, and occasionally the intoxicated.

He added: "Jessica was none of these. She was a fit, conscious young girl.

"In my view the only way in which she could have been smothered to death would have been through forced restraint against vigorous struggling.

"You cannot just smother in mid-air, sitting on the edge of a bath.

"You would have to either force them up against something in order to cover the nose or mouth, perhaps a wall, or put your hand behind the head and smother with the other."

The pathologist said that in either case, the amount of "vigorous struggling" that anyone would carry out in such a situation it would be obvious to the other person as to what was happening.

He added: "I would not expect such smothering to be capable of causing rapid death."

He said again that compression of the neck could occasionally cause rapid death through loss of airway through the nose or mouth, but added: "It would take many seconds and would very likely go through a loss of consciousness."

He added: "Therefore to complete the task, the nose or mouth would have to continue to be covered when Jessica had already collapsed unconscious.

"I find it wholly implausible that Jessica somehow is smothered to death in an upright posture."

Huntley, 29, denies the double murder of the schoolgirls but has admitted one charge of conspiring to pervert the course of justice.

Carr, 26, denies the conspiracy charge and two counts of assisting an offender.

The case continues.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...1161?view=Text
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Old 26-11-2003, 17:40   #22
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Re: What is Huntley playing at...??

An interesting case about drowning someone in a bath

brides in a bath
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Old 26-11-2003, 23:47   #23
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Disagree...........

in both cases can you prove it didnt happen?

Just because evidence of abuse may have gone doesnt mean to say it didnt happen.

In Huntleys case there too many coincidences for my liking

1.Changes his name
2 Moves to a totally different part of the country
3. Tries his best to destroy the evidence

Typical pedo behaviours

Neither do I beleive this is the first time he has done something like this his actions are of a man trying to hide or run away from something.
Told you he had done something before........

The low life was brought on charges of rape for which he which was cleared so why did he feel to the need to move and change his name?

I know this much if your innocent your innocent and no amount of running away will helps to prove your case.
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Told you he had done something before........

The low life was brought on charges of rape for which he which was cleared so why did he feel to the need to move and change his name?

I know this much if your innocent your innocent and no amount of running away will helps to prove your case.
Whilst I agree with you, being accused of rape is some seriously sticky mud. Why else would the gag on the premiership players have been in place for so long. I consider it a little unfair that the womans name can remain untarnished if she claims rape multiple times, but the mans name is dragged through the press in each case.
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Re: What is Huntley playing at...??

This man is neither a premiership footballer or a woman crying rape.

I beleive he is an evil man who has taken two young and precious lives and his his past possibly gives us an insight into his motives.

In my mind there is more than meets the eye to mr huntley and that he wasnt alone in his dastardly deeds.
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Re: What is Huntley playing at...??

Is the conviction of Murder related to premeditated thought and preparation ?

I cannot get it out of my head that this whole episode was an 'accident' in his defence at the moment.

If that was so:

WHY ... didn't he call the Police?
WHY ... did he bundle them into his car and take them where he did?
WHY ... did he strip them?
WHY ... did he burn the clothing?
WHY ... did he clean the house?
WHY ... did he clean the car?
WHY ... did he do the TV interviews?
WHY ... did he lie?

sorry, but those children were completely innocent and he hasn't even got the decency to tell the truth.
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This man is either a premiership footballer or a woman crying rape.
I agree, however I feel anonimity of both parties in rape cases prior to trial or even conviction would benefit us.


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I believe he is an evil man who has taken two young and precious lives and his his past possibly gives us an insight into his motives.
Absolutely, all I have said in this thread so far is that his defence is a cunning ruse to get the murder charged turned into non-premeditated manslaughter and the time inside reduced, that said his actions after the fact, burying the bodies and burning the clothes are not those that a 'normal' person would do. My first response would have been to call an ambulance.


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In my mind there is more than meets the eye to mr huntley <snip>
As we discover in the press every day.


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<snip> and that he wasnt alone in his dastardly deeds.
please elaborate...
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Is the conviction of Murder related to premeditated thought and preparation ?
<snip>
Murder
whilst of sound mind and judgement to kill intentionally and with premeditation
http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-...=1&word=murder
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m150.htm

This is also interesting.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/Home/CPSPublic...s-grossneg.pdf


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I cannot get it out of my head that this whole episode was an 'accident' in his defence at the moment.

If that was so:

WHY ... didn't he call the Police?
WHY ... did he bundle them into his car and take them where he did?
WHY ... did he strip them?
WHY ... did he burn the clothing?
WHY ... did he clean the house?
WHY ... did he clean the car?
WHY ... did he do the TV interviews?
WHY ... did he lie?

sorry, but those children were completely innocent and he hasn't even got the decency to tell the truth.
Well put...
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please elaborate...

Well,

On the front door step of a murder investigation this man managed to Remove and dispose of those children without anyone noticing. All on his own?

The car cleaning and other things going on should have rang alarm bells and it would seem it was only his constant question at press conferences that brough Mr huntley to the polices attention.

He should have been profiled as a top suspect from the begining being male and being someone who had a "Relationship" with the children through school.

Perhaps he was but it took long enough for so much so he could have cleaned and sanitized most of the evidence. Fortuntely the abilites of the foresnic department out weigh that of a dumb pedo.

As far as my beleif that he didnt act alone my thoughts are based around the pictures and reactions of the man on TV that caused the hunt to go in a totally different direction.Call it a gut instinct and im normally very good with them.

Pedo groups are typical of not having any immediately known contact with each other and I firmly beleive that Hhuntley was and still is protecting something far bigger.His arrogance and determination to side step each issue proves that to me.

I always pondered how two bright children could have been silenced both at the same time and how in between attending all those press conferences and search parties Mr Huntley had time to do all that he did.

It is only when the evidence against him piles up he admits little titbits with twists of lies. A typical Pedo profile.
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The low life was brought on charges of rape for which he which was cleared so why did he feel to the need to move and change his name?

I know this much if your innocent your innocent and no amount of running away will helps to prove your case.
I refer you to all my past messages about people who don't accept the presumption of innocence or even the *proof* of innocence when someone is acquitted of an offence.

They say things like: "Ah, but there's no smoke without fire" or "he wouldn't have been arrested if he wasn't guilty of something" etc etc.

Or, I might point out, call someone a "low life"...
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