Alarm to send street yobs fleeing - Page 2

Kliro · 09-01-2006, 16:29

I don't think this is very fair, I don't want to have to endure high pitched noises, possibly detrimental to my hearing, when I want to go to certain places.

Surely I have the right to go to any public place I want?

Mr_love_monkey · 09-01-2006, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Damien

Young people are not all the same and they should not be treated like
insects

Of course they are, everyone knows you can judge everyone by stereotypes - that's what they're there for

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Sadly it's the way of the world, a minority tends to spoil it for everyone - but no one seems to be able to come up with a better solution than punishing everyone

09-01-2006, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Damien

Oh great. So I can no longer go around town?

Young people are not all the same and they should not be treated like insects

If we assume that you do not hang around by the front door/atm at your local mini Tesco shop, then the system will not affect you, will it?

The system does seem a little indiscriminate, but so are the yobs that hang around for what would appear to be no other reason than to make a nuisance of themselves. What other reason can there be for actually leaning on the ATM if you're not using it?

**Damien** · 09-01-2006, 16:35

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Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

If we assume that you do not hang around by the front door/atm at your local mini Tesco shop, then the system will not affect you, will it?

The system does seem a little indiscriminate, but so are the yobs that hang around for what would appear to be no other reason than to make a nuisance of themselves. What other reason can there be for actually leaning on the ATM if you're not using it?

Bad back support

09-01-2006, 16:39

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Originally Posted by Damien

Bad back support

Now you see, something tells me that if you can't see anything wrong with that behaviour, then you're more like them than not like them...

P.S. Without a

I have to assume you are seriously trying to excuse this.

Halcyon · 09-01-2006, 16:42

Interesting idea, we will have to see how practial it turns out to be.
For poor people who are not there to cause trouble though it would be annoying.....plus surely this would send dogs crazy and they would be barking constantly.

**Damien** · 09-01-2006, 16:43

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Originally Posted by ScaredWebWarrior

Now you see, something tells me that if you can't see anything wrong with that behaviour, then you're more like them than not like them...

P.S. Without a

I have to assume you are seriously trying to excuse this.

oh yeah. I often hang around town like the chav i am

Unless they are not doing ilegal activites then nothing can be done. Just because they are scaring people though their presense is showing what this stereotype is doing to people.

If this was a alarm only black people could hear and was used to scare them away so they dont scare others because they mistrust black people there would quite rightly be outrage.

**Chris** · 09-01-2006, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Damien

oh yeah. I often hang around town like the chav i am

Unless they are not doing ilegal activites then nothing can be done. Just because they are scaring people though their presense is showing what this stereotype is doing to people.

If this was a alarm only black people could hear and was used to scare them away so they dont scare others because they mistrust black people there would quite rightly be outrage.

But it isn't.

And what they are doing is 'low level nuisance', which is precisely the sort of thing that can be made illegal, in a way, by use of the now-famous ASBO.

So far as I can see, the only people who do not understand how intimidating groups of youths can be are the youths themselves.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 09-01-2006, 16:47

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Originally Posted by Damien

oh yeah. I often hang around town like the chav i am

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so did all your student loan go on burberry and prada?

Anyway you're right.... its a not properly thought through system.

Kliro · 09-01-2006, 16:50

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Originally Posted by Chris T

So far as I can see, the only people who do not understand how intimidating groups of youths can be are the youths themselves.

Yes we recognise the intimidation, but if I am intimidated by old peoples faces would it be right to make everyone over 20 wear a bag over their head when outside?

**Maggy** · 09-01-2006, 16:52

I think the principle is to allow OTHER customers to walk in and out of the premises without impediment or being harrassed.A lot of shopowners are trying to use something to move the small gangs outside their shop.The ones I've seen so far use classical music played loudly outside the shop..the youngsters can't stand it and move on.

However this idea does seem a little harsh on those who are legit under 20's customers that just want to buy something.

**Damien** · 09-01-2006, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Chris T

But it isn't.

And what they are doing is 'low level nuisance', which is precisely the sort of thing that can be made illegal, in a way, by use of the now-famous ASBO.

So far as I can see, the only people who do not understand how intimidating groups of youths can be are the youths themselves.

I understand how imtimidating they can be, but I am also a youth and I do not count myself as among them. Most youths have equal fear and annoyance at these gangs but this system is simply clumping all of them in one big group.

Treating all of them the same because they are of the same age group

**Chris** · 09-01-2006, 16:53

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Originally Posted by Kliro

Yes we recognise the intimidation, but if I am intimidated by old peoples faces would it be right to make everyone over 20 wear a bag over their head when outside?

I think your analogy is a little weak. The fact is, you aren't intimidated by gangs of ugly pensioners. Pensioners are intimidated by gangs of teenagers acting in a generally unruly way.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 09-01-2006, 16:55

Anyway how does the device differentiate between under 20s and over 20s? Or are they assuming all those people that hang around outside shops and on corners after dark are under 20?

I could see this being employed very usefully in red light areas

**Maggy** · 09-01-2006, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

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Originally Posted by Chris T

But it isn't.

And what they are doing is 'low level nuisance', which is precisely the sort of thing that can be made illegal, in a way, by use of the now-famous ASBO.

So far as I can see, the only people who do not understand how intimidating groups of youths can be are the youths themselves.

I understand how imtimidating they can be, but I am also a youth and I do not count myself as among them. Most youths have equal fear and annoyance at these gangs but this system is simply clumping all of them in one big group.

Treating all of them the same because they are of the same age group

Sorry Damien but you just aren't going to be finding gangs of OAP's hanging outside the local late night opening store..Most are tucked up in bed at that time.

Now I have visions of the Monty Python sketches about Hell's Grannies...