BlueYonder Capping

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Originally Posted by ian@huth

AFAIK Blueyonder don't have any download restrictions unless you are downloading things which their T&C's prohibit. Giving an unlimited service will attract the really heavy bandwidth users with service levels suffering if the network cannot cope with their usage levels.

I know they don't - I was responding to the request for BY customers to comment rather than just vote.

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Sure... and the condition on the service is that there are no capping restrictions - that is what I signed up to and that is what I pay for.

It's also a condition of the service that Telewest can change the conditions at any time ...

Personally I'm happy to see ISPs employ soft caps as this has the same effect as 'no cap but p*ss takers will dealt with under the fair use clause' except that everyone knows where the line in the sand is.

[Ignition]

Looks as though Telewest really is unlimited, I've spoken to a chap who downloaded over 2TB the month after his 10Mbit upgrade

Not bad going at all. Think he's trying to get as close as possible to 3TB this month if he can.

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AFAIK it's always been unlimited.

I think a "very large" cap would be acceptable (2tb is rather excessive... even tho I would "just" have space for that I'd be hard pushed to actually use the pc and would have to clear everything except the o/s to make room ).

I have absolutely no idea what would be considered "reasonable" by the "we don't have a cap" BY customers (myself included)... but once the door is opened to capping there never appears to be an acceptable level.

Personally I think I've d/l around 500gig over a 3-4 year period (not entirely sure but thinking of how much h/d space I have and how much is used, and I don't remember deleting much except the odd picture...) but that doesn't include up/downloading to my website (can't see that being huge cos it's still relatively new with mainly words rather than pictures)... don't have a clue how much I've uploaded tho

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Ignition

Looks as though Telewest really is unlimited, I've spoken to a chap who downloaded over 2TB the month after his 10Mbit upgrade

Not bad going at all. Think he's trying to get as close as possible to 3TB this month if he can.

That is crazy, I wonder how plusnet would react considering they think 50gig is massive and 10gig is high.

[jtwn]

I think they should quietly give the middle finger to those going over...say 250gb / month, its not going to hurt their brand, the people who download that kind are the troll like, afraid of natural light people who will just move to the next alternative.

[toom]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

Perhaps it's because NTL spent more money on the network than TW did and didn't just jump in to become the first to offer 10Mbps.

AFAIK Blueyonder don't have any download restrictions unless you are downloading things which their T&C's prohibit. Giving an unlimited service will attract the really heavy bandwidth users with service levels suffering if the network cannot cope with their usage levels.

BB should stay unlimited, if it's not broke dont't fix it. Im happy with the way things are at the moment, the last thing I want is some geek suggesting that unlimited should be capped just so he can try and sound important. Don't forget, people would not want to download constantly anyway because it interferes with their navigation.

Im on 4 meg and when I DL a bigish file, I can't wait for the sucker to finish so I can browse with joy again.

It's just a faze some people will go through, they will dl and dl until they finally decide that it is boring and they don't want half the stuff they get.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by toom

BB should stay unlimited, if it's not broke dont't fix it.

The problem is that right now it is broke and needs fixing.

There are plenty of TW and Ntl customers getting poor speeds as people in their area decide they want to download every TV show ever made just in case there is an episode of the simpsons they haven't seen yet.

[toom]

Originally Posted by dezzo

The problem is that right now it is broke and needs fixing.

There are plenty of TW and Ntl customers getting poor speeds as people in their area decide they want to download every TV show ever made just in case there is an episode of the simpsons they haven't seen yet.

If they want caps, they should sign up to a lesser ISP such as coff ' tiscalli ' coff ' lmao ' coff coff what a load of ***** 'coff coff! Leave telewest to the REAL users.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by toom

If they want caps, they should sign up to a lesser ISP such as coff ' tiscalli ' coff ' lmao ' coff coff what a load of ***** 'coff coff! Leave telewest to the REAL users.

So you'd be happy if Telewest put their prices up to be a 'premium' ISP then would you?

Somehow I don't think so.

Ntl and Telewest are mass-market ISP's and thats something that won't change anytime soon.

[toom]

Originally Posted by dezzo

So you'd be happy if Telewest put their prices up to be a 'premium' ISP then would you?

Why would they?

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Originally Posted by Stuart C

Voted.. Of course, I currently download 3.2 Terrabytes a day.. All linux distros.

What the ****s a terrabyte?

[Chrysalis]

capping doesnt garantuee improvements tho, eg. a isp could cap and simply buy less bandwidth because they cap and leave saturation in place, in that case the capping just provides extra profits. A good isp would provide enough bandwidth to avoid problems and use any caps to ensure it stays that way, ntl's capping so far has just served to annoy people since because they didnt enforce it they have people raping their cable just the same as telewest and have saturation although according to ignition its on a lesser scale.

I think capping does need to be in place but it should be peak time only or greatly reduced at peak time and when exceeded reduce speeds to a small but useable level say 256/64 kbit, the key making upload really low.

[Bob]

Not a big fan of Blueyonder - the connection is incredible unreliable. My 4Mb connection was going 500k yesterday. Sometimes and its rare it achieves 4Mb but its usually a lot worse. I have reported this to Telewest and they told me that I should expect it at certain times of the da.

It'll be all these other damn students downloading constantly. Suppose that'll teach me for living where I do...

And people say Telewest is so much better than NTL...

Back in Teesside my 2MB is a much more stable 1.92-1.98Mb

[Ignition]

Read the below if you want details. Summarised here:

1) Various parts of Telewest's network are badly oversubscribed, they admit this.
2) Some areas have been congested for months, Telewest admit they do not have the money to resolve these issues.
3) Telewest appear to have sent letters to users with high upstream usage.
4) Telewest's AUP explicitly mentions high upstream usage as a reason for restriction and/or disconnection.

The long version........

Newcastle is a bad, bad, bad area for Telewest at the moment.

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist...der&PHPSESSID=

A few extracts from threads there:

They've admitted to me it's a serious UBR contention issue. They also admitted it needs upgrading asap, however they don't have the available finances for it. Basically been told to lump it or leave it.

Advised what many of you have already said, need a new UBR or something. Says it could be done this summer.

I concur. Pretty much what I have been told.

And then there's Digital Spy, specifically a lucky chap from Doncaster:

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...splay.php?f=76

Anyone ever complained to Watchdog about Blueyonder?
I think i will be after i get the number when its next on. Paying for 4mbit connection (£35) and all afternoon today and this evening i cant get over 512k - 756k. why? they say because of high utilisation in the area.

Originally Posted by skiddie2003
You could phone up Telewest.


Ive been doing this for the last five months. Its to do with high utilisation in the area ive been told plenty of times. The outage teams knows about the problem but nothing has been done for 5 months its crazy. This all started the day after the upgrades were announced

More to the point..

http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...d.php?t=340643

Telewest appear to be writing to people with high upstream usage.

Better late than never.

[Bob]

Cheers for the info Ignition. Suppose it'll have to play the waiting game. Wonder if their lowest tier is more reliable?