Neo-Nazi Teenagers

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Well, it could hang either way now bearing in mind he's been dead for 60 years

Particularly if you consider that hair continues to grow after a person has died

Originally Posted by danielf

Particularly if you consider that hair continues to grow after a person has died

I think they cremated him, didn't they - to prevent his grave becoming a shrine.

Anyway, back on the grizzly topic please folks.

Anyone care to suggest how this kind of philosophy (if that's not giving it too much credibility) can flourish in a supposedly modern, enlightened society?

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Chris T

I think they cremated him, didn't they - to prevent his grave becoming a shrine.

Anyway, back on the grizzly topic please folks.

Anyone care to suggest how this kind of philosophy (if that's not giving it too much credibility) can flourish in a supposedly modern, enlightened society?

Well, for a start we have an ex-Klan leader as a Presidential candidate! Ignoring the fact that it is highly unlikely he would make any sort of progress in an actual election, it's scary that such a figure can raise the funds etc required to get to that sort of position.

Unfortunately, in a country as multi-cultural as America, there are bound to be areas where racial tension (for want of a better phrase) simmers closer to the surface than others - what's bizarre is that, even amidst the claims of brainwashing, how can these girls think that what they are singing is right? Chanting 'Sieg Heil' during performances is one of those things that should no longer happen, not because it is forbidden by law, but because nobody in their right mind would choose to do it.

Personally, I feel that in the 'civilised world', these sort of things happen because Freedom of Speech is almost the be all and end all. Apparently, this is one of the occasions when it can come back and kick you right up the @rse

EDIT: Not that I disagree with Freedom of Speech, you understand. Fundamental human right and all that

Originally Posted by Chris T

I think they cremated him, didn't they - to prevent his grave becoming a shrine.

Anyway, back on the grizzly topic please folks.

Anyone care to suggest how this kind of philosophy (if that's not giving it too much credibility) can flourish in a supposedly modern, enlightened society?

I think its down to ignorance and bad learning.Often this kinda behaviour is bred into people from there parents.Circumstance can also play quite a role,often its spoken about illegal immigrants and immigration, lets face it a lot of people are sick of seeing how easy some of these people have it in this country,claiming benefits getting housed and this kinda thing can breed anger.Of course being angry about this is a far cry from this degree of racism.
Another thing to think about is the fact that we in this country only 100 years ago were very nationalist as it were 1000's of men signing up to fight for king and country is similar in the extent of it being Nationalist.Imo nazism is the furthest right of this you can get .
Also its not just white who I spose you can call Nazi look at Uganda and whats happened there.Could there really be a coloured Hitler ???

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Nugget

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Personally, I feel that in the 'civilised world', these sort of things happen because Freedom of Speech is almost the be all and end all. Apparently, this is one of the occasions when it can come back and kick you right up the @rse

EDIT: Not that I disagree with Freedom of Speech, you understand. Fundamental human right and all that

Slightly OT, I remember reading an interview with a musician who was somewhat obsessed with powerful imagery. He used to wear a badge of a Cross, a star of David, a Swastika and Hammer and Sickle on his coat. Upon entry into the US he was asked to remove the Hammer and Sickle...

Originally Posted by danielf

Slightly OT, I remember reading an interview with a musician who was somewhat obsessed with powerful imagery. He used to wear a badge of a Cross, a star of David, a Swastika and Hammer and Sickle on his coat. Upon entry into the US he was asked to remove the Hammer and Sickle...

In the ruins of Coventry cathederal there is a sarcophogus(spelling) of one of the early priest or whatever.Depicted on his garb are 2 Swastikas these of course are not nazi originally

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I think its down to ignorance and bad learning.Often this kinda behaviour is bred into people from there parents.Circumstance can also play quite a role,often its spoken about illegal immigrants and immigration, lets face it a lot of people are sick of seeing how easy some of these people have it in this country,claiming benefits getting housed and this kinda thing can breed anger.Of course being angry about this is a far cry from this degree of racism.
Another thing to think about is the fact that we in this country only 100 years ago were very nationalist as it were 1000's of men signing up to fight for king and country is similar in the extent of it being Nationalist.Imo nazism is the furthest right of this you can get .
Also its not just white who I spose you can call Nazi look at Uganda and whats happened there.Could there really be a coloured Hitler ???

Idi Amin was most unpleasant to people of Indian origin, and Mugabe is arguably engaged in a racist vendetta against whites. I do not think racism is the preserve of white people.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

In the ruins of Coventry cathederal there is a sarcophogus(spelling) of one of the early priest or whatever.Depicted on his garb are 2 Swastikas these of course are not nazi originally

Well, the Nazis misappropriated the Swastika in the first place - if I remember rightly, the 'real' Swastika faces the other way?

ANyway, to reply to your original post zingle, I feel that there is a difference between 'bog standard' nationalism and far-right politics. If you take the definition of nationalism as being 'the desire for political independence for your country', this is obviously somewhat different from 'the desire to create the master race and annex Poland (to take it to the nth degree).

What confuses me is that these girls know that they live in a multi-ciltural world (which, IMO, is better because of it), but can still spout this nonsense. Crazy really.

Originally Posted by Nugget

Well, the Nazis misappropriated the Swastika in the first place - if I remember rightly, the 'real' Swastika faces the other way?

ANyway, to reply to your original post zingle, I feel that there is a difference between 'bog standard' nationalism and far-right politics. If you take the definition of nationalism as being 'the desire for political independence for your country', this is obviously somewhat different from 'the desire to create the master race and annex Poland (to take it to the nth degree).

What confuses me is that these girls know that they live in a multi-ciltural world (which, IMO, is better because of it), but can still spout this nonsense. Crazy really.

Ask the BNP if they argee thats whats Nationlist means or the National front for that matter
Your right of course by definition
And the girls well its there way of being different isnt it,they want to stand out typical although rather extreme behaviour.And of course very very poor breeding (they wouldnt like that would they )

Hmm!

It's got them noticed though...

[BBKing]

Swastikas can face both ways. Incidentally, the German for swastika is 'Hakenkreuz' - the word itself is Sanskrit. The Finnish air force had it mirror-imaged from the Germans.

Silly girls. A bit of rebellion against the parents wouldn't go amiss - I bet they end up as left-wing radical feminists once they've seen a bit of the world. Lucky Americans travel so much, eh...hang on...

[punky]

Originally Posted by Chris T

Anyone care to suggest how this kind of philosophy (if that's not giving it too much credibility) can flourish in a supposedly modern, enlightened society?

Its not flourishing, despite what people say. There is a general consistent undercurrent of racism, in any country, where it is a cycle of the parents indoctrinating their children with their viewpoints, which leads to the children themselves doing it again to their children. Even if the parents aren't actively indoctrinating their children with these views, having children at an impressionable age hanging around parents with racist views can make the children racist too. Not always, but mostly. This closed cycle means the amount of racism tends to remain steady, or decrease pretty slowly. Its always there, in the background, it just makes itsself heard more loudly sometimes.

There isn't much you can do about it. I've said it before, you can't legistlate human opinion. You can't force people to think differently, you'll only make it worse that way. The best you can do is to protect the victims (non-christians, be they non-white or white), whilst trying to encourage (not dictate) other religions, races and communities to interact together and see each other more equally.

Originally Posted by Incognitas

It's got them noticed though...

Only because they are 13 year old girls. Neo-nazist aren't that uncommon, but for girls it is, especially at that age.

[BBKing]

The best you can do is to protect the victims

Actually, the best you can do is provide proper state education which encourage people to think individually as adults and broadens their horizons (history, languages and the like). Note this doesn't mean political indoctrination or parent power, it means proper well funded teachers and long-term stability in a school system. What we're moving towards now is little short of training, which isn't the same thing as education at all.

[Hom3r]

The best thing to do is not give people like the sapce on the websites or newspapers

[BBKing]

The best thing to do is not give people like the sapce on the websites or newspapers

I don't know - well placed ridicule seems to be in order. Racism and white supremacy contains so many inherently funny contradictions that it's worth pointing them out.