Possibility of eventual parole for multiple killer?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Sorry, I'm old fashioned. I believe that if a man subjects a woman to prolonged, recurrent physical abuse then he deserves whatever he gets in return from her.
If that means that she happens to kill him when she finally snaps then tough luck m8.

But if its prolonged why stay there ? I dont get it. I would be out of there in a shot

[Chimaera]

Originally Posted by Bill C

But if its prolonged why stay there ? I dont get it. I would be out of there in a shot

That's not always possible - if you have dependent children and no way of providing for them, if the man in question has physically and mentally abused the woman to the point where she has no self esteem whatsoever and is terrified to do anything without his approval - it's really not that easy to walk away.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Bill C

But if its prolonged why stay there ? I dont get it. I would be out of there in a shot

I know, I know, so would I, but it doesn't work like that for women (and some men, as Russ would point out-though not from personal experience!).

Many women seem to be programmed to 'stick by' their man......the feel they 'can change him'.......'he's not really like that'......'he won't do it again'

They are always wrong but only the lucky ones get out at the beginning. I've seen it. It's mystifying but it happens time and time again and it breaks my heart every time. There are a lot of men who need a good hard talking to with a baseball bat re. what they do to their women
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..........and it happens more than you think!

Originally Posted by Chimaera

That's not always possible - if you have dependent children and no way of providing for them, if the man in question has physically and mentally abused the woman to the point where she has no self esteem whatsoever and is terrified to do anything without his approval - it's really not that easy to walk away.

I see

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Tuftus

In my opinion, no.

Everyone has options, an option to walk away wether that be covertly or not for example.

To just snap and stab some one after *years* of abuse is just not on and is inexcusable, i mean its not like they did not have advance warning after *years* of abuse?

*I know its not quite the same*, but if you are watching some thing on TV you don't like, you change the channel dont you?

Tuftus, I really suggest you do some research into the realities of domestic abuse. It is very often *nowhere near* as simple as just "walking away".
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Originally Posted by Ramrod

Hang on...this threads going t*ts up! It started out about whether a multiple murdering ******* should spend his life in jail and now it's about wheather a battered wife should spend her life in jail........hardly the same type of crime. I'm looking at you, Graham.....not fair!-Stick to the original topic (or at least the spirit of the original topic)!

But part of the original post was "Life imprisonment should mean exactly that - life." and then this was raised again, so I wanted to point out the fallacy in that reasoning.

.........and I thought I was a hardliner!

Hah! Ramrod finds he's inadvertantly joined the pinko left-wing bleeding-heart liberal brigade...!
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Originally Posted by Bill C

Simple answer

YES

That is my opinion and i am entitled to it.

Yes, it is and yes you are.

You might not agree with it.

You're right, I don't.

Murder is murder which ever way you want to rap it up or make excuses to reduce the sentence of the criminal.

Extenuating circumstances are *not* the same as "excuses".

Read my other posts about how the victim can be made into the criminal by some members of this society. This then allows the criminal to get off with a much lighter sentence. Then the victim is turned into the criminal.

At this point you appear to be wanting to have your cake and eat it.

Either people are responsible for their own actions (eg the battered woman murdering her husband) and she thus should get everything she deserves (life, no parole), or she, *as the victim*, is being "turning into the criminal" because of the abuse she has suffered.

You can't have it both ways.

[BBKing]

Murder is murder which ever way you want to rap it up

As I pointed out when I kicked over this particular hornet's nest, murder is not murder, *even in the tough on crime USA*, where they feel the need to have three degrees of it, because the system recognises that there are differing levels 'badness' even in murder. Here we have two, manslaughter and murder. Pretending that there's only one and everyone should get life for it is just simplistic, populist nonsense.

Thoroughly agree with Ramrod's sentiments about domestic abuse, it's atrocious.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Graham

But part of the original post was "Life imprisonment should mean exactly that - life." and then this was raised again, so I wanted to point out the fallacy in that reasoning.

However the type of case you used to illustrate your argument should never be judged as straightforward murder........in this case the law is and has been wrong.

Hah! Ramrod finds he's inadvertantly joined the pinko left-wing bleeding-heart liberal brigade...!

lol....andyl made the same comment but there is nothing inadvertant about where my stance is

Originally Posted by Ramrod

lol....andyl made the same comment but there is nothing inadvertant about where my stance is

Hey! Don't drag me into this you placard waving, PC promoting, Trotskyist, SWP touting red under all our beds!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Graham

A wife has suffered years of abuse at the hands of her husband. Finally she snaps and stabs him with a kitchen knife.

She has taken a life and is now a murderer.

Does she deserve to spend the rest of her life in jail?

This is not an excuse, she has/had options - she could leave, she could get him done for assault, there are load of help groups for women that have come out of abusive relationships.

The "I'm a battered wife" defence seems to be coming more and prelavent and even more scarily acceptable

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

However the type of case you used to illustrate your argument should never be judged as straightforward murder........

With respect, tell that to Bill C!
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Originally Posted by Pierre

This is not an excuse, she has/had options - she could leave, she could get him done for assault, there are load of help groups for women that have come out of abusive relationships.

As I said in a previous post, matters of domestic are rarely as simple as this.

The "I'm a battered wife" defence seems to be coming more and prelavent and even more scarily acceptable

It's better than domestic violence effectively being treated as acceptable or even a "husband's right" or it being "the woman's fault" as has happened in the past.

[Chimaera]

Originally Posted by Pierre

This is not an excuse, she has/had options - she could leave, she could get him done for assault, there are load of help groups for women that have come out of abusive relationships.

The "I'm a battered wife" defence seems to be coming more and prelavent and even more scarily acceptable

Support groups for women are all well and good, but they don't stop anyone getting a good hiding or worse!
I wonder how many women would get their husbands prosecuted for assault when they have to live under the same roof?
Yes I know women can leave home, go to the police, contact support groups, and any number of other options - it's a lot easier in the clear light of day. Try rational thinking when you are in fear for your life, every minute of every day - it's not so easy then.