Global warming 'past the point of no return' - Page 2

jtwn · 18-09-2005, 22:24

I think whilst Global Warming is no less of a major issue, what about man's reliance on oil and its products - we are surely going to get to a point where 21st century life goes back in time. I look around my room and can't think of anything thats oil based or would of been made in a process that needed oil somewhere down the line.

Or am I just paranoid?

punky · 18-09-2005, 22:25

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you missed one out - the magnetic field polarity 'flipping' so north will become south, as it were.

Very true. IIRC we are many centuaries overdue for a pole reversal, and if it happened completely (you can have partial pole reversals IIRC), then it would be enough to wipe out mankind itself.

Graham · 19-09-2005, 02:32

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That's proof incontrovertible, and something we don't have with global warming, the science is too young.

Oh dear, here we go again...

By the time we *have* the proof it may well be too late to do anything.

So would it do any *harm* to try to reduce our energy usages, switch to more efficient methods of products and reduce the amount of pollution (including so-called "greenhouse gasses") we're pumping into the air *just in case*?

Surely that's better than, in a hundred years time saying "oops, looks like the science *is* proven, pity it's too late to do anything about it"...

19-09-2005, 05:25

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This does not make very good reading

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle312997.ece

After all the years of abuse what do we expect?? Something has got to give sadly it's the polar ice flows.

Chrysalis · 19-09-2005, 06:15

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Very true. IIRC we are many centuaries overdue for a pole reversal, and if it happened completely (you can have partial pole reversals IIRC), then it would be enough to wipe out mankind itself.

How does a pole reversal work? slow? instant? and what sort of changes happen as a result.
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punky · 19-09-2005, 10:38

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Originally Posted by Graham

Oh dear, here we go again...

By the time we *have* the proof it may well be too late to do anything.

So would it do any *harm* to try to reduce our energy usages, switch to more efficient methods of products and reduce the amount of pollution (including so-called "greenhouse gasses") we're pumping into the air *just in case*?

Surely that's better than, in a hundred years time saying "oops, looks like the science *is* proven, pity it's too late to do anything about it"...

Well, I thought the Independent was trying to whip us up in a paranoid frenzy because it was too late already.

Anyway, you've changed tack a bit. You were always so insistent on seeing proof and not advocating "just in case" actions. Reducing energy use, and being more efficient is what would happen even without people warning of the threat of Global Warming. But I am not going to sell my car and live up a tree on something that's pure guesswork atm. They guessed that the earth was flat until Columbus sailed around it.

Pierre · 19-09-2005, 12:01

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Well, I thought the Independent was trying to whip us up in a paranoid frenzy because it was too late already.

Anyway, you've changed tack a bit. You were always so insistent on seeing proof and not advocating "just in case" actions. Reducing energy use, and being more efficient is what would happen even without people warning of the threat of Global Warming. But I am not going to sell my car and live up a tree on something that's pure guesswork atm. They guessed that the earth was flat until Columbus sailed around it.

Any paragraph or statement that starts with:

"scientists say" or "experts say"

Should always be treated with the upmost scepticism.

I suggest you read the excellent " A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson

to show you just how little is known about our planet, and how the "top" scientists of the day and yesteryear couldn't and still can't agree on a many great things.

AndrewJ · 19-09-2005, 17:09

If this planet is so ****ed up as they want us to think instead of trying to make more fuel consuming methods to mess it up and bombs to blow more holes in it, why not put our money into getting the goddess hell of it?

Graham · 19-09-2005, 20:26

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Originally Posted by Graham

By the time we *have* the proof it may well be too late to do anything.

So would it do any *harm* to try to reduce our energy usages, switch to more efficient methods of products and reduce the amount of pollution (including so-called "greenhouse gasses") we're pumping into the air *just in case*?

Surely that's better than, in a hundred years time saying "oops, looks like the science *is* proven, pity it's too late to do anything about it"...

Anyway, you've changed tack a bit. You were always so insistent on seeing proof and not advocating "just in case" actions.

Which part of "By the time we *have* the proof it may well be too late to do anything." did you not understand?

Knee-jerk reactions to terrorist attacks are not going to bring about catastrophic changes to the planet that could have devastating results for billions of people!

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Reducing energy use, and being more efficient is what would happen even without people warning of the threat of Global Warming.

Would it? Try convincing the "Dirty Man of the World" (ie the USA) to do that, then!!

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But I am not going to sell my car and live up a tree on something that's pure guesswork atm.

They guessed that the earth was flat until Columbus sailed around it.

*WHOOOP* *WHOOOP* *WHOOOP*

Punky, if you're going to make comments like this, you *really* should check your facts first otherwise you're going to look *very* silly.

*NOBODY* has said "sell your car". *NOBODY* has said "live up a tree". So don't try the Straw Man tactic again, please.

Oh and the world was *KNOWN* to be round long before Columbus, all he claimed was that he could said to the Indies by going *west* (and he cheated by taking the smallest figure for the size of the world and then fiddling that down even more) if it wasn't that the Bahamas (and not America!) were in the way, he'd have failed!

**Mick** · 19-09-2005, 21:01

I would prefer it if members wouldn't shout and also not provoke one another to the point that the debate becomes aggressive. Thank you.

punky · 19-09-2005, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Graham

Which part of "By the time we *have* the proof it may well be too late to do anything." did you not understand?

Nice dodge. I'll rephrase the question: How is it, that you'll normally won't accept any fact or opinion, however small or insignificant without endless cites and pieces of evidence, but you'll accept guesses at face value, that even a 10 year old can make, on an issue as important as this?

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Would it? Try convincing the "Dirty Man of the World" (ie the USA) to do that, then!!

Tell you what, i'll go and convince the US to do that, and you go and convince China. Agreed?

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*WHOOOP* *WHOOOP* *WHOOOP*

Punky, if you're going to make comments like this, you *really* should check your facts first otherwise you're going to look *very* silly.

Well done. Apparently I was fooled under a myth that Washington Irving perpetuated, and according to Wiki, I am not the only one. That makes me look silly? I don't think so. However, looking at your response which shows you how gracious & magnanimous in 'victory' you are, or otherwise, I know which person i'd rather be silly, or to have your attitude.

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*NOBODY* has said "sell your car". *NOBODY* has said "live up a tree". So don't try the Straw Man tactic again, please.

Its sarcasm. And hippies won't let me live up a tree because the tree is more important than humans anyway. Without sarcasm: I won't adjust or alter my attitude towards the environment to any agree, with regards to 'scientists' warning about global warming, until 1 damn 'scientist' can at least prove 1 damn theory he has about it.

I have a theory that the crust might spontaneously crumble away which could release lava in across most of the land, and should cause seas to turn to steam and steam us alive. I say all communities should invest trillions in moving indoors permanantly in heat resistance biodomes. I have no evidence, just like the global warming scientists. What I said might or might not happen, but are you going to try and reach possibly unobtainable targets, at massive expense like biodomes which can resist heat to 1,000s of degrees C, purely on my guesswork? You'd be a fool if you did. No difference between that theory and the global warming catasprophe theory.

**Mick** · 19-09-2005, 21:33

Thread Re-opened. Please pay heed to my post above please. Thanks.

fireman328 · 19-09-2005, 23:05

In what then should I be investing ?
Arctic gear ?
Swimsuits ?
Crash hats ?
LiLos ?
Suntan lotion ?
Waders ?
Huskies ?
Camels ?

Martin · 19-09-2005, 23:12

Hmmmm Artic Gear! It's going to get a bit chilly here!

Hom3r · 19-09-2005, 23:18

The trouble is that man has only had the ablity to know the planet (if at all) for less than 100 years.

the planet is 4 billion years old, and the planet has had Ice ages come and go. so this global warming could be a natural cycle of the planet.

A few years ago they said that we were heading for another Ice age??