Election 2019 - Week 4

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I suppose people will be grateful if they run out of toilet paper.

I’m always grateful to get free newsprint through the door. The kids use it when they’re cleaning their pets cages.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’m always grateful to get free newsprint through the door. The kids use it when they’re cleaning their pets cages.

I use it to light the stove even fake news burns well

[spiderplant]

Week 4 and I'm still undecided.

Who should I vote for and why?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Week 4 and I'm still undecided.

Who should I vote for and why?

I implore you not to vote for Corbyn for reasons of antisemitism and Momentum thugs.

Lib-Dems are a hopeless case, but Remainers might vote for them out of conscience.

Conservatives are led by a liar but they will execute the Referendum instruction and then hold the poison chalice of negotiating a trade deal with that awful EU.

Monster Raving Loonies have proposed a 99p coin - brilliant.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Week 4 and I'm still undecided.

Who should I vote for and why?

I'm afraid with our electoral system it's a question of who you don't want, and the best way of achieving that wherever you live. A vote for anybody other than the top 2 parties in your constituency is wasted, it's a crazy system that disenfranchises a lot of the electorate.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm afraid with our electoral system it's a question of who you don't want, and the best way of achieving that wherever you live. A vote for anybody other than the top 2 parties in your constituency is wasted, it's a crazy system that disenfranchises a lot of the electorate.

That's one way of looking at it and hard to argue with.

However, I and many others are members of one party or another (or long term supporters) and in my case I don't want Corbyn and I'm loyal to the Conservatives who pose no threat to society.

Ergo full circle to the very valid point you've made.

Does that mandate a change to the electoral system? Well, proportional representation will always lead to a hung Parliament and wishy-washy direction. A single transferable vote will crystallise election results yet remain with the present system of being able to produce a governing party.

Are coalitions a good idea? Actually the 2010 coalition wasn't a disaster (bar the students' price hike) but a Labour-Lib coalition would have destroyed us.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I implore you not to vote for Corbyn for reasons of antisemitism and Momentum thugs.

Lib-Dems are a hopeless case, but Remainers might vote for them out of conscience.

Conservatives are led by a liar but they will execute the Referendum instruction and then hold the poison chalice of negotiating a trade deal with that awful EU.

Monster Raving Loonies have proposed a 99p coin - brilliant.

I'm not so sure the Tories or anybody else, will ever actually deliver Brexit. Trade talks will take years, during which time a lot can change. e.g. an outbreak of common sense taking place.....

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm not so sure the Tories or anybody else, will ever actually deliver Brexit. Trade talks will take years, during which time a lot can change. e.g. an outbreak of common sense taking place.....

... that common sense being?

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Week 4 and I'm still undecided.

Who should I vote for and why?

Not an issue for me but i live in a constituency that hasn't change allegiance in 40 years and it won't now.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I implore you not to vote for Corbyn for reasons of antisemitism and Momentum thugs.

Lib-Dems are a hopeless case, but Remainers might vote for them out of conscience.

Conservatives are led by a liar but they will execute the Referendum instruction and then hold the poison chalice of negotiating a trade deal with that awful EU.

Monster Raving Loonies have proposed a 99p coin - brilliant.

You forgot that Corbyn will also cripple the economy, so that and his stance on the EU are two very good reasons for me to vote Conservative.

If this issue is not going to hike the Lib Dems into the official party of opposition (which it won't) I cannot think what it would take to bring this about. I can't see Labour sinking even further than this, but I suppose you never know.

Labour did bounce back over a period after Michael Foot. Maybe history will repeat itself.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You forgot that Corbyn will also cripple the economy, so that and his stance on the EU are two very good reasons for me to vote Conservative.

If this issue is not going to hike the Lib Dems into the official party of opposition (which it won't) I cannot think what it would take to bring this about. I can't see Labour sinking even further than this, but I suppose you never know.

Labour did bounce back over a period after Michael Foot. Maybe history will repeat itself.

I can't question what you've said about Labour. But I'm appealing to the conscience and decency of our contributors who should not for a moment associate themselves with the evident antisemitism of Corbyn and his Momentum thugs.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

BJ didn't think austerity was the right thing to do...

Speccy

Not often I find myself on the same side of the fence as Johnson.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I eagerly await jfman’s response, OB!

We are already in huge debt! I’m not sure how 2 trillion is sustainable but 2.2 trillion after a wave of nationalisation is unsustainable...

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I can't question what you've said about Labour. But I'm appealing to the conscience and decency of our contributors who should not for a moment associate themselves with the evident antisemitism of Corbyn and his Momentum thugs.

Conscience and decency doesn’t pay the bills or solve poverty.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Not often I find myself on the same side of the fence as Johnson.

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We are already in huge debt! I’m not sure how 2 trillion is sustainable but 2.2 trillion after a wave of nationalisation is unsustainable...

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Conscience and decency doesn’t pay the bills or solve poverty.

.... at the expense of the sense of welcome, safety and non-fearfulness of a minority group of citizens? Is that what you represent?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

.... at the expense of the sense of welcome, safety and non-fearfulness of a minority group of citizens? Is that what you represent?

It’s not what I represent, no. I’m not a member of any political party.

I don’t agree with your interpretation of events - I don’t believe Jews are unwelcome, unsafe or fearful. I think the press is inflating the issue as a stick to beat Corbyn with as a means to get poor people to vote on non-economic issues. As with nationalism.

Meanwhile rich people largely will vote Conservative for economic reasons.

Divide and rule.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s not what I represent, no. I’m not a member of any political party.

I don’t agree with your interpretation of events - I don’t believe Jews are unwelcome, unsafe or fearful. I think the press is inflating the issue as a stick to beat Corbyn with as a means to get poor people to vote on non-economic issues. As with nationalism.

Meanwhile rich people largely will vote Conservative for economic reasons.

Divide and rule.

The Jewish ex-Labour MPs would disagree with you. The Chief Rabbi disagrees with you. Corbyn wouldn't apologise and Corbyn has openly supported terrorist organisations, particularly those that want to destroy Israel.