Autumn Statement : Brexit Edition

Lets be serious anyone with a double digit IQ has no trouble registering to vote that's not the problem with our system. Biggest problem is we basically have two parties and whichever one you vote for we end up with the same so a growing number of people just don't bother because neither one ticks enough boxes. It's not that we don't get everything we want it's that whatever party holds power gives the majority very little that they need.

For younger voters the system doesn't make you want to go out and vote as all they hear is working till 70 and likely longer, generational mortgages because we are so stupid in this country in relation to house building and that they must embrace technology that takes jobs for a bigger profit in an older persons bank balance. Those same young people can see pensioners who by and large are sitting pretty and they know they will spend most of their working lives paying for things they will not get when it's their time. Is it a wonder they see little reason to get involved.

Well there is one way to get them voting but no one seems to want to grasp the nettle of fining those who won't vote.

Originally Posted by Mr K

To top it all, the older generation have taken us out of Europe to further screw up the future of the next generation

No they haven't, yet more utter bollocks you speak, becoming ridiculous now.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

No they haven't, yet more utter bollocks you speak, becoming ridiculous now.

Someone with a different opinion again Michael ? Oh dear can't have that.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well there is one way to get them voting but no one seems to want to grasp the nettle of fining those who won't vote.

Sorry but fining people who do not vote, I find far fetched, we do not live in a dictatorship.

Some people do not vote for a variety of reasons, lazy is one of them but there are many other reasons, fining people is just a bad solution because all it will do is make people spoil their ballot papers. I have not voted in every Election and if I was forced to for fear of being fined, I would certainly spoil my paper for sure.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Someone with a different opinion again Michael ? Oh dear can't have that.

Well, when you saying the same crap over and over again about how doomy and gloomy you think it is going to be when you have absolutely no idea what it is going to be like, what do you expect? And I will not tell you again, I am known as Mick on this forum.

So what if people spoil their papers..Hopefully there will be enough who may just get their arse in gear and make a decision instead of sitting on the fence..

[Mr K]

If there was compulsory voting there'd have to be an abstention box. Be a bit embarrassing if 'abstention' won though...
Making it easier to vote would be better.

Originally Posted by Mr K

If there was compulsory voting there'd have to be an abstention box. Be a bit embarrassing if 'abstention' won though...
Making it easier to vote would be better.

There is nothing hard about the process in being registered to vote.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

There is nothing hard about the process in being registered to vote.

This is the 21st century Mick yet we're still using a crappy pencil on the end of a string. Online voting, mobile voting, telephone voting - none of them less secure than the current system where anyone can say a name with no id and vote. If the next generation disengages from politics then its a disaster.

Originally Posted by Mr K

This is the 21st century Mick yet we're still using a crappy pencil on the end of a string. Online voting, mobile voting, telephone voting - none of them less secure than the current system where anyone can say a name with no id and vote. If the next generation disengages from politics then its a disaster.

It is less secure. It's very hard to commit any wide scale fraud in the current system. People can vote without an ID but so what? There is no evidence that has led to real fraud. Online voting would be open to interference, hacking and mass fraud.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

This is the 21st century Mick yet we're still using a crappy pencil on the end of a string. Online voting, mobile voting, telephone voting - none of them less secure than the current system.

Can you hack a piece of paper, in your church hall from Russia?

[Mr K]

If

Originally Posted by Damien

It is less secure. It's very hard to commit any wide scale fraud in the current system. People can vote without an ID but so what? There is no evidence that has led to real fraud. Online voting would be open to interference, hacking and mass fraud.

We can secure online banking why not voting? Even a simple change like having voting over weekends would help turnout. There seems to be no real interest in this increasing turnout or concern that the young are increasingly seeing politics as irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Mr K

If

We can secure online banking why not voting? Even a simple change like having voting over weekends would help turnout. There seems to be no real interest in this increasing turnout or concern that the young are increasingly seeing politics as irrelevant.

We need online voting to be more secure than banking. A General Election conducted via the Internet would be a much bigger target.

Online we would need verification and confidence in each step of the process. That the vote was placed by the voter at the machine, that the vote wasn't changed en-route to the server it arrives at, that the server itself tallies the votes correctly and that it doesn't switch them. That the machine correctly stores votes if it the infrastructure goes down. At the end you need confidence that the 10,000 votes it says it has are actual votes.

It's remarkable how resilient the paper process is. The vote is identifiable each step of the way. The voter gets a paper, they place the ballot into a locked box, the box is opened in full public view, each ballot is a vote and everyone can see what was marked. Very hard to replicate that on computers were there the 'vote' will always be an abstraction of a digital interaction.

I agree about the weekend thing. France have their elections over a weekend, Saturday and Sunday, with the vote revealed Sunday night. I like that system. At the very least election day should be made a bank holiday IMO.

[Osem]

Why is it that our glorious leaders and their chums in big business are so keen for us to be reduced to doing everything online when they clearly can't adequately protect the stuff we currently do? Anyone would think they have a sinister ulterior motive like being able to switch our lives on and off at the touch of a button somewhere should they feel the need...

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Originally Posted by Chris

They also raised IPT, which is a tax on the prudent, and disproportionately hits the young and those who have already had bad luck.

Well there's an easy way around that - just don't bother with insurance. It's not as though that's a growing problem is it...

With the current state of online security no way in hell would i support online voting and given some of what i heard from younger people in the referendum we really don't want it as a five second thing they do between facebook. A clear difference between the political parties will be a start and if nothing else corbyn has put space between labour and the Tory's ideally though we would have two electable options.

People need to feel their vote does matter and too many now don't feel it does in general elections, the EU referendum was a good example of that people did feel their vote would count so more got out and voted i know my polling station was the busiest I've ever seen. Fining people for not voting is an absolute no no for me personally unless we get a "none of the above" option but neither will happen so that's a dead end.