Mass shooting in Florida

Irrespective of the Islamic terrorism issue it is not a good idea to allow access to so many guns. The Republicans blocked a bill which would have looked to ban suspected terrorists, those known to Homeland security, from getting guns! Bizarre.

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Chris

Not really.

We (they) just need to ban the means of killing people on an industrial scale. The more difficult it is to make a point by killing someone, the fewer people will try.

That's pretty much it. People can say you'll have to ban this that and the other.. Or you could just think logical and ban the weapons capable of mass murdering civillians that are legably purchasable.

People make homemade bombs in numerous countries, if some nutter really wanted to he'd do it here too, that can't be helped in all cases.

The main issue is still the ability to purchase an assault rifle and there's absolutely nothing stopping you appearing at a crowded event and popping shots off.

But I'm sure the NRA will call for folks to carry their army grade weapon at all times to protect themselves. Absolutely absurd that any civilian on this planet would actually need an assault rifle.

It would be as simple as limiting sales to handguns only with restricted calibers. I say would because the damage has already been done. They'll never be able to disarm the US now. Its far too late. But you know, a right to bear arms would never lead to absolute psychopaths going on a rampage.

This is the third biggest mass shooting globally that isn't a warzone.

So hell bent of fighting a war on terror everywhere else but failing to protect their own from the madmen in their own back yard.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

One of my soon to be ex Facebook friends are going on more about the gunman being a Muslim, rather than ban guns.

To be fair, Islam is probably the reason for these killings. As I said to Chris, they would have manufactured bombs to get the job done if guns were banned

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Originally Posted by Damien

Irrespective of the Islamic terrorism issue it is not a good idea to allow access to so many guns. The Republicans blocked a bill which would have looked to ban suspected terrorists, those known to Homeland security, from getting guns! Bizarre.

I agree.

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Just musing......what is Switzerland doing right that the USA isn't?

Mandatory national service might have something to do with it.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

Mandatory national service might have something to do with it.

That must have some sort of impact but it doesn't stop a non Swiss nutter (muslim or otherwise) from going postal anyway.....or perhaps they have gun laws that limit purchases to citizens?

[Ramrod]

A few thoughts:

[adzii_nufc]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

To be fair, Islam is probably the reason for these killings. As I said to Chris, they would have manufactured bombs to get the job done if guns were banned

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I agree.

They would but as has been shown before its sometimes easier to prevent a home made bomb at the source via various security organisations. Whereas its almost impossible to prevent a mass shooting when you're legally selling them the weapon to cause it and they've shown up clean in checks.

It doesn't have to be a Muslim at all either. Adam Lanza wasn't a Muslim. No one denies what you're saying but this was another case of a citizen being able to use a legal assault rifle to murder others regardless of it was religiously motivated or not.

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadlie...ting-rampages/

Count the Muslims.

Gun permits in Switzerland are tied to competence. You have to pass a test. That would probably weight the ownership towards Swiss, rather than immigrants, who have done military service. That same sample would also be more likely to have a healthy attitude towards firearms.

Lots of the real gun nuts in America are members of local militia groups, also something justified by the wording of their constitution, though it's unclear how many of them have been members of the US Army.

Attitudes to firearms is the problem not the firearms themselves, do most of you realise how deadly a knife can be in the right hands or the number of people you can kill quickly with a knife sorry but unless we are all going to wrap ourselves up in bubble wrap and take away everything that could potentially be used as a weapon there is little can be done about nutters. This coward appears to have recently plunged off the cliff of sanity and decided to kill people yes he did it with a firearm he could have chosen numerous other methods and achieved the same thing.

We need to concentrate on better identifying those individuals going off the deep end and deal with them before they carry out any plan and sorry but the family of this coward cannot tell me there were zero warnings he was going to do something.

[adzii_nufc]

They've just shown the crying mother interview on TV. Shoving microphones into her face instead of offering her assistance to locate or find information on her potentially dead son.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Attitudes to firearms is the problem not the firearms themselves, do most of you realise how deadly a knife can be in the right hands or the number of people you can kill quickly with a knife sorry but unless we are all going to wrap ourselves up in bubble wrap and take away everything that could potentially be used as a weapon there is little can be done about nutters. This coward appears to have recently plunged off the cliff of sanity and decided to kill people yes he did it with a firearm he could have chosen numerous other methods and achieved the same thing.

We need to concentrate on better identifying those individuals going off the deep end and deal with them before they carry out any plan and sorry but the family of this coward cannot tell me there were zero warnings he was going to do something.

A knife in the right hands? Probably not deadly enough to wipe out 50 people in a matter of minutes. Giving people a fighting chance against a sole wielder. Even a hangun wielder would have given some of these people a fighting chance. What chance does any unarmed person have against 30 bullets a mag assault rifle?

Nobody denies madmen pull the trigger but no man sane or psychopath should own an assault rifle for whatever reason.

https://everytownresearch.org/wp-con...ity2charts.png

Handguns vs Assault rifle (red) in mass shootings. I think it speaks for itself

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Nobody denies madmen pull the trigger but no man sane or psychopath should own an assault rifle for whatever reason.

As a member of a gun club, I agree.

Obama said this one week ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSEo...ature=youtu.be

Depressingly prescient.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Yes there is: intolerance in a society where gun ownership is a constitutional right.

That too.

CNN pointed out that when people go into the building they have to tune out the incessant ringing of the victims' phones as people try to reach them.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Attitudes to firearms is the problem not the firearms themselves, do most of you realise how deadly a knife can be in the right hands or the number of people you can kill quickly with a knife sorry but unless we are all going to wrap ourselves up in bubble wrap and take away everything that could potentially be used as a weapon there is little can be done about nutters. This coward appears to have recently plunged off the cliff of sanity and decided to kill people yes he did it with a firearm he could have chosen numerous other methods and achieved the same thing.

We need to concentrate on better identifying those individuals going off the deep end and deal with them before they carry out any plan and sorry but the family of this coward cannot tell me there were zero warnings he was going to do something.

I think most people would be able to differentiate, in terms of risk, between a semi-automatic assault rifle, capable of killing rapidly at ranges upto 500m, and a hand held knife.

Can you list the US massacares where the victims have been killed by knifes? It would be interesting to compare them to those where guns were used ..