Obama to take Executive Action on Gun Control
06-01-2016, 11:29
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Re: Obama to take Executive Action on Gun Control
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NO, just concentrate on what you CAN solve and the REAL underlying problems. Pretty pointless trying to spend time, money, etc on something on aspects that can't be solved. How much has been solved by banning guns in this country where there wasn't much of a gun culture anyway?
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06-01-2016, 11:37
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Re: Obama to take Executive Action on Gun Control
Well, it worked in Oz....
All Obama is doing is sensible things that the NRA has said, in the past, needs to be done - now Obama is saying them, suddenly they're not sensible anymore.
The NRA and their sponsored politicians have been saying since 2008 that Obama is going to take away people's guns - there are now more guns in circulation in the USA than before 2008.
Don't facts matter anymore?
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06-01-2016, 11:47
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Re: Obama to take Executive Action on Gun Control
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Well, it worked in Oz....
All Obama is doing is sensible things that the NRA has said, in the past, needs to be done - now Obama is saying them, suddenly they're not sensible anymore.
The NRA and their sponsored politicians have been saying since 2008 that Obama is going to take away people's guns - there are now more guns in circulation in the USA than before 2008.
Don't facts matter anymore?
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As we have saw in the current GOP Nomination campaign, nope.
Anything Trump says is correct according to some people. Even when his "facts" are shown to be complete nonsense by groups dedicated to fact checking, they are called out for lying themselves.
Populism is corrupting democracy, in the US and Europe. Saying what you like is fine until you convince people that a pack of lies is "the truth". Anyone decent enough to actually stand up and say "Wait a minute, that's wrong" is painted as a part of the "system" which means anything you want it to be if it undermines someone without ever actually disproving actual evidence.
As you say, it no longer matters what politicians in the US say, it's "wrong" if the wrong person says it. That's disgusting in my view, and runs counter to every rule of civilised debate that should govern our democratic systems.
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06-01-2016, 16:38
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Re: Obama to take Executive Action on Gun Control
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Originally Posted by Stop It
As we have saw in the current GOP Nomination campaign, nope.
Anything Trump says is correct according to some people. Even when his "facts" are shown to be complete nonsense by groups dedicated to fact checking, they are called out for lying themselves.
Populism is corrupting democracy, in the US and Europe. Saying what you like is fine until you convince people that a pack of lies is "the truth". Anyone decent enough to actually stand up and say "Wait a minute, that's wrong" is painted as a part of the "system" which means anything you want it to be if it undermines someone without ever actually disproving actual evidence.
As you say, it no longer matters what politicians in the US say, it's "wrong" if the wrong person says it. That's disgusting in my view, and runs counter to every rule of civilised debate that should govern our democratic systems.
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Populism, short termism and knee jerk reactions, if we could get them out of politics we'd have a chance
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