Call for shut down of Muslim immigration

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Nothing has happened. He's simply chucked a stupid statement out there (probably to deflect attention from some other news that he wanted buried).
It is interesting though that there seems to be one rule for what 'western' polititians are allowed to say and another for what would probably be tolerated from muslim leaders.

The only thing "interesting" is your desire to deflect any argument away from Trump and back to what you don't like, which is pretty clear.

Religious hatred of any type is simply unacceptable, and your attempts to change the subject because it happens to be against Islam are a non sequitur. I think it's pretty clear that most Western politicians when asked would find the majority of Saudi politics for example to be pretty darned backwards and at times barbaric, but that has nothing to do with this topic.

Besides, nobody has said, least of all in America that Trump isn't allowed to say what he likes. However, there is nothing wrong with calling his remarks inflammatory, backwards and frankly absurd.

[nomadking]

His comments may seem absurd, but how come nobody else is making any suggestions that are remotely viable? Do you think that the situation is going to get better?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Stop It

The only thing "interesting" is your desire to deflect any argument away from Trump and back to what you don't like, which is pretty clear.

lol. Post #10 I said that I didn't agree with what he'd said and in post #15 I said that what he said was stupid. I can't really make my position on what he said any clearer......apart from that I was thinking out loud, but you carry on m8

[Hom3r]

I cannot say what I think of the rug wearing Trump, as the swear filter will explode or I'll get banned.

But I'm surprised he hasn't called for the law to be change to allow the shooting of Muslims

[tweedle]

When you say "call for shut down of muslim immigration" do you mean the populations of many country's and world leaders have spoken out that all Muslims should be banned from emigrating?

Or has one prat suggested Muslims be banned from entering the US?

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

I cannot say what I think of the rug wearing Trump, as the swear filter will explode or I'll get banned.

But I'm surprised he hasn't called for the law to be change to allow the shooting of Muslims

Your faux outrage really does not help, a sensible and considered response is the way forward. He has made a stupid comment and never mentioned killing anyone.

Yes he is a prat, but you're reacting to him the way he is reacting to terror. An unfortunately the FACT is, more people will be murdered by people claiming to be muslims. 90% of the population understand this is not ALL Muslims. But it is people claiming to be muslim.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by tweedle

Or has one prat suggested Muslims be banned from entering the US?

That one.

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Originally Posted by tweedle

more people will be murdered by people claiming to be muslims. 90% of the population understand this is not ALL Muslims. But it is people claiming to be muslim.

It's actually 69%

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

He's having a ball, he has no desire to president whatsoever, and he just keeps coming out with more extreme bollocks just to see if he can get away with it.

He's not the first, ron Paul was doing this 30 years ago, trump can't even manage to be origional

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...037007?SThisFB

Comments by US presidential hopeful Donald Trump that parts of London are "so radicalised the police are afraid for their lives" have been attacked as outrageous and appalling.
The Republican nomination contender made the remarks in a TV interview, following his call for Muslims to be banned from entering the US.

The man is a complete twonk..

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However Boris has had the last word.

Mayor Boris Johnson said the remarks were ill-informed.
"As a city where more than 300 languages are spoken, London has a proud history of tolerance and diversity and to suggest there are areas where police officers cannot go because of radicalisation is simply ridiculous," he said.
Mr Johnson said police officers were doing "excellent work" in London.
"Crime has been falling steadily both in London and in New York - the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump," he added.

[Osem]

"Crime has been falling steadily both in London and in New York - the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump," he added

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Brilliant!!!

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It is interesting though that there seems to be one rule for what 'western' polititians are allowed to say and another for what would probably be tolerated from muslim leaders.

The US is a liberal Western democracy, where freedom of religion and freedom of expression are Constitutional rights. You can't compare it to Saudi Arabia etc. As Damien said, the US (and other Western countries) are rightly held to a higher standard.


Trump has the right to spout his BS, and everyone else has the right to call it out for what it is..

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by tweedle

An unfortunately the FACT is, more people will be murdered by people claiming to be muslims. 90% of the population understand this is not ALL Muslims. But it is people claiming to be muslim.

Do you have a source for this "FACT"? Are you talking worldwide, or regarding a specific country?



If you are talking about the US, given the subject of this thread, then I'm afraid that your "FACT" is not actually true.

New York Times: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11

Originally Posted by By SCOTT SHANE, NEW YORK TIMES, JUNE 24, 2015

WASHINGTON — In the 14 years since Al Qaeda carried out attacks on New York and the Pentagon, extremists have regularly executed smaller lethal assaults in the United States, explaining their motives in online manifestoes or social media rants.

But the breakdown of extremist ideologies behind those attacks may come as a surprise. Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims: 48 have been killed by extremists who are not Muslim, including the recent mass killing in Charleston, S.C., compared with 26 by self-proclaimed jihadists, according to a count by New America, a Washington research center...

OK, that's from June, and since then fourteen people were murdered in the San Bernadino shootings, taking it to 40... although the recent Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado Springs resulted in the deaths of three people, with the suspect being a white right-wing extremist who claims to be a Christian, making it 51 versus 40 (when adding on just those two incidents).

And, of course, the non-Muslim count is likely to actually be even higher given America's daily mass shootings...

Dumber and dumberer...

Trump now wants to close down the Internet to stop radicalisation of children.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6764396.html

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Donald Trump

"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening.
“We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."

Yeah, even Trump can't be this stupid deliberately. This must be a joke, surely?

Originally Posted by The Indy

The rest of Mr Trump’s speech went on to criticise the “incompetence” of the “stupid people” that are currently in power in the US.

Or a complete lack of self awareness of his own gross incompetence. Asking Bill Gates to shut down the Internet? I mean if you're going into the absurd, at least be relevant and say Zuckerberg or something!

Excellent front page on the Philadelphia Daily News (and a clever play on words/images).

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Damien

I like the idea this is a prank that's gone too far. Each time he thinks that this time he's finally gone to far he is met with even more rapturous applause.

The biggest problem is he supports guns which means he will have many voters who will support him no matter what he does or says.