Multiple shootings in California - Page 2

mrmistoffelees · 03-12-2015, 11:13

What time is the NRA press conference???

**Hugh** · 03-12-2015, 11:36

I wonder if the Republican politicians who said last weeks Planned Parenthood shootings were due to mental health issues will follow the same line with this one...

On a related note, the Guardian provides some statistics about the 994 mass shootings in 1004 days (up to October 1st 2015) - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/n...a-gun-violence

adzii_nufc · 03-12-2015, 15:04

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What assumptions exactly? Look how many murders happen a year in the USA and look at the names of those who commit them. You're going to be busy making your "assumptions" for a while.

Let's just hear the facts before people start injecting their poison!

'Your assumptions'

At what point did he make any. In fact given what I've already seen thus far in relation to this. Exactly this has happened. If anything he made the assumption other people would implicate them as Islamic terrorists, which has quickly happened.

nomadking · 03-12-2015, 15:31

Seeing as the wife was involved, makes it a lot less likely to be a personal vendetta or "going postal".

adzii_nufc · 03-12-2015, 15:44

There's plenty of unanswered questions that suggest it was more than an employee gripe etc. At the same time unanswered being the key word.

Their relatives were awfully quick to come out and say they were devout Muslims though. I'd love to know what possessed them to dive straight into that. So far that's been enough to warrant the usual Islamic hate from places.

**Hugh** · 03-12-2015, 15:59

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Seeing as the wife was involved, makes it a lot less likely to be a personal vendetta or "going postal".

Why?

nomadking · 03-12-2015, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Why?

Why would the wife get involved with a personal work vendetta?

**Hugh** · 03-12-2015, 16:47

Why wouldn't she?

ianch99 · 03-12-2015, 17:32

Sandy Hook Senator Just Summed Up the Reality of Sending "Thoughts and Prayers"

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Your "thoughts" should be about steps to take to stop this carnage. Your "prayers" should be for forgiveness if you do nothing - again.

Taf · 03-12-2015, 18:05

Bombs and bomb-making equipment plus a lot of ammunition fund at their home.

Not looking like "just a couple going postal" any more.

adzii_nufc · 03-12-2015, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Taf

Bombs and bomb-making equipment plus a lot of ammunition fund at their home.

Not looking like "just a couple going postal" any more.

Was already known they had explosives, unsure what actually happened to the majority of the 'pipe bombs' as they were quoted to have on their person. Reports of explosions but nothing concrete.

- The third suspect was unrelated, wrong place at the wrong time.

The actual facts thus far then:

-Evidence found at the scene being taken to Washington for analysis -States they do not know the motive at this time. -FBI says when you look at the pre-planning that went into this, there was definitely a motive. -Won't confirm any communications with domestic or foreign terrorists. -Confirms male suspect made foreign trips and came back with his wife in 2014. -Confirms he went to Pakistan at some point, unwilling to confirm he went to Saudi Arabia. -States there was some level of sophistication to the IED -Won't confirm that law enforcement found an Al-Qaeda Inspire magazine at the scene.

Now it is starting to swing the way of terrorism given the planning, explosives and ammunition ranging in the thousands. Again though I'd wait for the motive/reason before we get to a conclusion. Although it seems likely the target was chosen because he knew it well, the fact is 14 people needlessly lost their lives. So forget about Islamic Terrorism and forget about domestic terrorism, these 4 firearms were legally owned, the assault rifles weren't even purchased by him, it gets even more silly then.

So the more disturbing matter is whether you're ISIS or Islamic terrorists, madmen or just both then you needn't take your AK to the US, they'll supply you with an assault rifle.. If you're a madman then you can just up and buy one anyway.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I wonder if the Republican politicians who said last weeks Planned Parenthood shootings were due to mental health issues will follow the same line with this one...

On a related note, the Guardian provides some statistics about the 994 mass shootings in 1004 days (up to October 1st 2015) - http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/n...a-gun-violence

Horrible stats. The NRA are a joke, trying to justify needing an assault rifle for whatever reason, just no.

**Hugh** · 03-12-2015, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Taf

Bombs and bomb-making equipment plus a lot of ammunition fund at their home.

Not looking like "just a couple going postal" any more.

Do you mean like this guy or this guy?

btw, only in America can they say something like this with a straight face...

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According to Shooting Tracker, a website that tallies gun violence in the US, there have only been eight confirmed cases of mass shootings being carried out by more than one attacker in the past year.

"only"!!

adzii_nufc · 03-12-2015, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean like this guy or this guy?

btw, only in America can they say something like this with a straight face... "only"!!

Yeah the 'only' thing is pretty ridiculous but the second point being there's only been 8 mass shootings with more than one shooter... what about the rest with lone gunmen.

Hopeless.

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Seems Farook was on the FBI list and under investigation.

Theories thus far have him showing up at the shooting location, returning home to pick up the equipment and rental vehicle, carrying out the attack but also returning home again to pick up further equipment and carry out another attack. He didn't expect to be fingered as a suspect as early as he was and Police tried to approach the SUV at his house upon which the pursuit started.

Again, theory. Plausible though given the amount of ammo and bombs he had stored. Also suggests the police response prevented an even worse scenario.

It's just a shame neither will stand trial and face the long death penalty.

Ramrod · 04-12-2015, 08:35

My thoughts are that the couple were planning to carry out a jihadi type attack but got 'wound up' by their colleagues at the meal and decided to go postal on them instead.

Osem · 04-12-2015, 09:19

That sounds quite plausible to me. Sounds like something unexpected happened that day to spark things off. I guess it's quite possible that whatever else they were planning could have been far worse too...