Hillary Clinton has lost the plot

Also remember that Muslims aren't 'the same'. There is a rift been Sunni/Shia sects and even amongst the Sunni those that don't follow the specific creed that ISIS and the other extremists follow are considered just the same as the rest of us as far as the extremists are concerned.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Hugh

tbf, you hate it when people do anything.

'hate' could be your middle name...

I hate it when you're in a mood like this.

Win/win...

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Unfortunately at the moment most terrorists are Muslims.

I would say it is "most terrorists are claiming to be Muslims". Pretty certain the Muslim faith does not cover beheading and mass killings in its teachings. Anyone can claim to be killing in the name of there religion of choice.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I would say it is "most terrorists are claiming to be Muslims". Pretty certain the Muslim faith does not cover beheading and mass killings in its teachings. Anyone can claim to be killing in the name of there religion of choice.

Do you think the ones in Spain are not Muslim?

1 or 2 may be?

I wonder if we refuse to accept they're Muslim by shouting You're not really Muslim. you're just pretending to be Muslim. because Muslims are "Peaceful and don't kill"

I wonder if that will suddenly break the bad spell?

Christians don't kill either.
a murderer claiming to be Christian is a liar!
he's not Christian at all.
he's.... what religion can we put him in? Muslim is no good because they don't kill either?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I would say it is "most terrorists are claiming to be Muslims". Pretty certain the Muslim faith does not cover beheading and mass killings in its teachings.

I'm afraid it does.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


and before anyone draws a comparison to the bible, afaik, all of it's violent stuff is in the old testament but Jesus taught peace. Muhammad wasn't quite as peaceful in his teachings. Therein lies the problem....

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'm afraid it does.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"


and before anyone draws a comparison to the bible, afaik, all of it's violent stuff is in the old testament but Jesus taught peace. Muhammad wasn't quite as peaceful in his teachings. Therein lies the problem....

Totally agree with this .. Islam never had a "correction" or reformation since the Koran and Hadiths were written. Plus, a lot of emphasis is made on the Koran being the word of Allah and so not able to be questioned or contradicted. Makes things difficult for more enlightened Muslims to say "No, ignore that verse and this verse as they were only parables or were historically contextual"

[tweedle]

Its up to god to judge terrorists, its up to us to stop them.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

Also remember that Muslims aren't 'the same'. There is a rift been Sunni/Shia sects and even amongst the Sunni those that don't follow the specific creed that ISIS and the other muslims follow are considered just the same as the rest of us as far as the other muslims are concerned.

Corrected that for you

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by tweedle

Its up to god to judge terrorists, its up to us to stop them.

There is no God so we'll have to judge them ourselves. when we blow them all up.

Generalisation the tactic of the intellectually challenged getting so sick of entire groups of people getting tarred with one brush be it on welfare or religion, just demonstrates the continuing dumbing down of people in the west and goes someway to explaining how we end up with the representatives we do.

[Ramrod]

Here is a little bit of balance for you then: link

In a statement, the promoters of the event said: “We Muslims of Italy strongly condemn the recent massacre in Paris, expressing the deepest feeling of closeness to the French people and to all the families of the victims who were killed so brutally.”

“We invite all Muslims to a mobilization to isolate even the slightest form of radicalism, and particularly protect young generations from the consequences of preaching hatred and violence in the name of religion,” they said.

Oh, hang on. That link is to a "rabidly right wing" website, so it obviously can't be trusted!

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

[Ramrod]

Unless the person reading the clock doesn't like the time it's showing

Beitbart was designed to the a right-wing counter to the left-wing blogs. It's meant to be more partisan and campaigning news site than a conventional news source. It's sort like a right-wing version of the The Huffington Post or Democracy Now. It's never pretended to be otherwise.