Sandboxie - A Virtual Protection

Originally Posted by Hugh

If it's so good, why don't all the major Corporates / institutions with tens of thousands of PCs use it, rather than messing about with weekly patches and expensive Anti-Virus Suites?

Come off it. Sandboxie is not designed for complex commercial use. It is slightly inconvenient and commercial pressures cannot tolerate any inconveniences or messing about. They have to be immediately responsive to a flow of demands. So they lose out on absolute security for convenience of operation.

Sandboxie is an ideal home and individual security system where there are no pressures of immediate response, queues of customers waiting or program manipulation etc.

And who cares about commercial concerns ? I and the other millions of Sandboxie home users don`t. We are concerned here with ordinary domestic users, not industry.

"Lose out on absolute security for convenience of operation"?

Have you any idea the scale of inconvenience/disruption that would occur if a major corporate/institution had a breach of security, and their excuse to the auditors/ICO was that they didn't have the best security "for convenience of operation"?

Have you ever had to support / manage on a Corporate scale?

Originally Posted by Hugh

"Lose out on absolute security for convenience of operation"?

Have you any idea the scale of inconvenience/disruption that would occur if a major corporate/institution had a breach of security, and their excuse to the auditors/ICO was that they didn't have the best security "for convenience of operation"?

Have you ever had to support / manage on a Corporate scale?

What is all that supposed to mean ? I thought I had already explained the Sandboxie/commercial matter in my post 16.

To explain my comments in a nutshell - Sandboxie is not convenient for commercial purposes. Please read my post again it is quite precise.

I wasn't arguing that point - I was pointing out the fallacy of your statement that corporates would

Lose out on absolute security for convenience of operation

Originally Posted by Hugh

I wasn't arguing that point - I was pointing out the fallacy of your statement that corporates would

Ah well, considering you are making your point like I made mine, I suppose we are now both both happy.

[mart44]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

..unless your are enjoying your skirmish with this guy, use your Ignore option, I have.

I'm OK with it. It was more the way things were said rather than what was said that made me post ..but then this has been explained and people have their opinions. I always put mine as if the person was in the room with me. I think some people don't do that when posting.

I really don't mind what others think about the programs I use and mostly don't like to argue about them. I used to do that quite a bit but not so much now. I know Sandboxie is right for me and that's good enough. Been using it since 2006 and will continue to do so.

Originally Posted by mart44

I'm OK with it. It was more the way things were said rather than what was said that made me post ..but then this has been explained and people have their opinions. I always put mine as if the person was in the room with me. I think some people don't do that when posting.

I really don't mind what others think about the programs I use and mostly don't like to argue about them. I used to do that quite a bit but not so much now. I know Sandboxie is right for me and that's good enough. Been using it since 2006 and will continue to do so.

OK Mart, if you wish to make this guys day by replying to his nonsense, then fine. I personally have better things to do.

"Sandboxie is right for me and that's good enough." No Mart, it is not good enough, Sandboxie is right for every private user and there is nobody that can seriously criticise the security of the program other than engage in mischievous technical nitpicking, which they have not the guts to do on the Sandboxie Forum.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

Come off it. Sandboxie is not designed for complex commercial use. It is slightly inconvenient and commercial pressures cannot tolerate any inconveniences or messing about. They have to be immediately responsive to a flow of demands. So they lose out on absolute security for convenience of operation.

Sandboxie is an ideal home and individual security system where there are no pressures of immediate response, queues of customers waiting or program manipulation etc.

And who cares about commercial concerns ? I and the other millions of Sandboxie home users don`t. We are concerned here with ordinary domestic users, not industry.

The fact they sell licenses in bundles of 100 would suggest it *is* designed for complex commercial use.

You also appear to have missed the point of Hugh's post.

In your first post, you appear to be suggesting that SandboxIE is a far better security option than keeping your machine up to date or using Anti virus/trojan programs. You even go so far as to say that you stopped patching your system as the patches were just clogging up the machine.

As such, you appear to be using SandboxIE as a replacement for any other security. This is bad, and from what I can gather is not what SandboxIE is intended for.

Hugh's point was that if this system is so perfect, why are enterprises not using it instead of spending (potentially) hundreds of thousands of pounds a year on other security systems? That is a valid question, whether you care about corporate use or not.

I don't think he phrased it well, but qasd does raise a valid point. OK, so he used an undocumented API that sandboxie does not apparently protect, but if he was able to use that API, the Malware authors are able to use it as well, and I dare say they will. It also appears to offer little or no protection against attacks where a virus infects another machine on the network, then starts scanning that network for other machines it can infect. All they need is a network share with bad security and the ability to create processes on a remote machine. Both things that SandboxIE probably will not protect against, and therefore would be unable to sandbox the virus.

If you are advising people to use SandboxIE in addition to other security products/practices including patching, I think that is good advice. If you are advising people to use it as a replacement for other security products/practices, I think that is highly irresponsible.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

Come off it. Sandboxie is not designed for complex commercial use.

Once again your claims directly contradict what Sandboxie say on their own homepage:

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Originally Posted by Wittmann

OSandboxie is right for every private user and there is nobody that can seriously criticise the security of the program

Homeopathic "doctors" could benefit from a (diluted) dose of your marketing prowess.

Based on Hugh's statement above, if it's right for every private user, why do no consumer computing stores sell it? Why do no consumer laptop manufacturers preload it? Why does any laptop a "private user" buys come preinstalled with <insert any major antivirus here> and not Sandboxie?

Seems you can't stand your grandiose delusions about your favourite application being questioned. All you've done is tried to insult me several times but so far you've failed to substantiate a single one of your claims.

Originally Posted by Wittmann

which they have not the guts to do on the Sandboxie Forum.

A bit hypocritical don't you think? Seeing as you've not got the guts to defend any of your claims right here, where you made them?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

"Lose out on absolute security for convenience of operation"?

Have you any idea the scale of inconvenience/disruption that would occur if a major corporate/institution had a breach of security, and their excuse to the auditors/ICO was that they didn't have the best security "for convenience of operation"?

Have you ever had to support / manage on a Corporate scale?

Indeed, the fact that reality is the exact opposite of what the OP claims shouldn't come as a surprise at this point

Corporates almost always choose to lose out on convenience of operation in the pursuit of absolute security. Not that such a thing as "absolute" security exists.

@ Stuart

Stuart, your post is a reasonable one, but it is not up to me to say what Sandboxie can or cannot do in glorious technicolour. I am just a mere user who has had 10 years of brilliant, flawless and highly efficient service from the program.

If you wish to go into intimate detail concerning Sandboxie`s capabilities and limitations or have some criticisms to make, I am not the person to satisfy your curiosity. I suggest you put your comments and queries etc. direct to the Sandboxie experts, either by joining their Forum or by direct contact.

The Forum is - http://forums.sandboxie.com/phpBB3/ and you will find an abundance of enthusiasm to answer your questions in ex[licit detail.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Once again your claims directly contradict what Sandboxie say on their own homepage:




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Homeopathic "doctors" could benefit from a (diluted) dose of your marketing prowess.

Based on Hugh's statement above, if it's right for every private user, why do no consumer computing stores sell it? Why do no consumer laptop manufacturers preload it? Why does any laptop a "private user" buys come preinstalled with <insert any major antivirus here> and not Sandboxie?

Seems you can't stand your grandiose delusions about your favourite application being questioned. All you've done is tried to insult me several times but so far you've failed to substantiate a single one of your claims.



A bit hypocritical don't you think? Seeing as you've not got the guts to defend any of your claims right here, where you made them?

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Indeed, the fact that reality is the exact opposite of what the OP claims shouldn't come as a surprise at this point

Corporates almost always choose to lose out on convenience of operation in the pursuit of absolute security. Not that such a thing as "absolute" security exists.

Yes that's a bit odd isn't it.

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes that's a bit odd isn't it.

Like I said in my post 25, if you have a specific grouse, then take it up with Sandboxie not me and their comments over-ride anything I have said.

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

Like I said in my post 25, if you have a specific grouse, then take it up with Sandboxie not me and their comments over-ride anything I have said.

The specific grouse is your misinformation about what Sandboxie does. As I've stated several times, your claims contradict what Sandboxie say about themselves, so it is entirely up to you to defend them.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

The specific grouse is your misinformation about what Sandboxie does. As I've stated several times, your claims contradict what Sandboxie say about themselves, so it is entirely up to you to defend them.

I'd say that's fair.

[joglynne]

Originally Posted by Wittmann

Like I said in my post 25, if you have a specific grouse, then take it up with Sandboxie not me and their comments over-ride anything I have said.

I have read all this and looked at the Sandboxie site.

The inaccurate claims our members are disputing are yours rather than those put forward by the developers of Sandboxie when they advertise what it was designed to do. You were the one to make inaccurate claims so why would our members need to visit a site that they have no argument with?