TV Debates: 'Go To Court', Greens Told

[MalteseFalcon]

I'd rather have more of Cameron than Miliprat running the country even further into debt. That is the Labour governmental cycle. Borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Never thinking about HOW the borrowed money will be paid back.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

I'd rather have more of Cameron than Miliprat running the country even further into debt.

'Miliprat' - very cutting, Jeremy Paxman watch out !

Actually I think he 's an intelligent guy who you may or may not agree with, but suffers from presentational/image problems (which shouldn't matter, but does in this reality tv /x factor dumbed down society).

Do we really want media savvy/vacuous self interested card board cut outs like Cameron or Blair running the country again ?? One led us into an illegal pointless war, the other is slowly dismantling the health service, whilst and making the poor poorer and the rich richer.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Surely, fellow members on this forum, doesn't want the country to backwards to the days when rationing was here.

This what Cameron wants, he wants the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer.

IF, Cameron gets back in, he has already said that there will be MORE CUTS, he is cutting the Ambulance Service, The police, will be cutting a further 5.000 officers off the streets, the Fire service will be getting cut.

Major Hospitals are closing. Do we all want this. Cameron is always gloating that he is increasing Aid to overseas countries. And yet his OWN people will suffer.

The poor are now getting more and more welfare cuts. And yet, people are saying Don't you think his policies are working.

I have a feeling that between now and election day, we will have stupid MPs and councillors coming to our doors - asking for our vote.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

I'd rather have more of Cameron than Miliprat running the country even further into debt. That is the Labour governmental cycle. Borrow and spend, borrow and spend. Never thinking about HOW the borrowed money will be paid back.

What do you think Dave and Gideon have been doing apart from dragging the country deeper into debt. Fact is any recovery will be inspite of them not because of them, that said I don't blame Dave for not fancying the debates this time round, he saw for himself last time that there is next to nothing for the pm to gain from them and everything for his adversaries to.

[MalteseFalcon]

But Arthur, not so long ago Labour were saying they agreed with the Tories and that they would make cuts if elected. Apart from a few extreme cases, I don't seriously think this country is anywhere near rationing like it was back during the War.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Where do you think the money comes from to run the country, or as you so often put it, look after you and your family?

Taxes, or the magic money tree?

Neither - taxes on everyone else is I think his preferred option. Arthur's the product of Labour - quite possibly a budding front bench spokespersonmanwomanthing - what else do you expect? One day he might stop whining about just about everything, take responsibility for his own actions and cease expecting everyone else to look after him and his. That'll be the day he constructs and presents a cogent argument...

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

It didn't help when one of his colleagues, said recently that the government will bring in SUGAR Tax to stop obesity.

This country has MORE tax than any other country.

A sugar tax is an excellent idea, the evidence suggests it would save the NHS a lot of money on obesity related diseases.

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/agr...t-finds-303748

As you have been told many times it's nonsense to claim we pay more tax than any other country...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...centage_of_GDP

...we are actually below the G20 average now.

I see we're back to usual form though:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I want to live in a real world where the government is looking after me and my family.

I do NOT want to live in poverty, we area rich country. But the way we are going, the world be a 'third world' country, Yes, l don't mind paying more tax.

I retire in two years time, l don't want to live on a crap pension.

I was brought up in poverty, and want to maintain a good living like l am

I had forgotten, taxes are fine when it's someone else paying them and they are being used to look after you and your family.

I'm trying to think of the word for someone who thinks others should subsidise their quality of life but can't quite place it.

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Don't you feel the Conservatives are successfully steering the UK through an unparalleled economic crisis Arthur?

I could answer this in depth but I'm interested in whether or not Arthur will comment fully.

There are many quite factual reasons to disagree strongly with this statement. See if it reverts to 'Evil Tories.....'

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Do we really want media savvy/vacuous self interested card board cut outs like

Milliband?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The Green party excuse is pathetic. If he doesn't want to do it just say so.

Of course it is. DC doesn't want the debates to happen at all if he can help it - he has nothing to gain.

If he can get the Greens in it's purely for political reasons - if they have a good showing it will hurt Labour and split their vote, thus reducing the impact of UKIP on his vote.

As it is he's been told that if he doesn't want to do the debates at least one of them will happen with an empty chair in his place. These debates increase public engagement and are an important part of the democratic process now.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

IF, Cameron gets back in, he has already said that there will be MORE CUTS

Just in the name of balance you do know that Labour are going to be cutting as well if they get power, right?

Balls reaffirms Labour's commitment to cuts in 2015.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I have a feeling that between now and election day, we will have stupid MPs and councillors coming to our doors - asking for our vote.

No poop, Sherlock. That's what they're supposed to do during a campaign

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Really ?? Even though they said they'd get rid of the deficit this parliament and it's increased despite all the cuts ??

Yes really!
Despite what labour luvies think they (the condems) have done, considering where labour left the country in 2010 they have done a reasonable job digging us out of the hole.

And Arthur, same crap different day, nothing changes with you, I admire your tenacity, your like a dog with 2 dicks where anything to do with the conservative are concerned.
You are the pit bull of cable forum, you got your teeth into something, latched on and you won't let go even tho people point out where your comments and information are flawed.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Surely, fellow members on this forum, doesn't want the country to backwards to the days when rationing was here.

This what Cameron wants, he wants the rich to get richer, and the poor to get poorer.

IF, Cameron gets back in, he has already said that there will be MORE CUTS, he is cutting the Ambulance Service, The police, will be cutting a further 5.000 officers off the streets, the Fire service will be getting cut.

Major Hospitals are closing. Do we all want this. Cameron is always gloating that he is increasing Aid to overseas countries. And yet his OWN people will suffer.

The poor are now getting more and more welfare cuts. And yet, people are saying Don't you think his policies are working.

I have a feeling that between now and election day, we will have stupid MPs and councillors coming to our doors - asking for our vote.

This nonsense again.

I suggest you actually take a look at the latest budget figures for this country. If I had a quid for every time you mention the overseas development budget yet ignore the fact that even if every penny was spent on say, the NHS would still only receive the same level of funding as a share of GDP as 2009. That would ignore the deficit, education, and every other service cut since 2010.

The budget hasn't been balanced for a while, especially since the global financial crisis and cuts were needed. The argument of Lab vs Con isn't whether cuts are still needed, just where they cut.

Asking a loaded question like you did at the start will not work, we wont be returning to rationing unless if WW 3 broke out. Now, are we still in line for pretty heavy cuts to the public service, yes. Does it suck? Yes. The only way to avoid that is paying more taxes, which as Igni pointed out, as a share of GDP the UK pays less tax than average now in the G20.

So, more taxes, or more austerity, what would you prefer? If only Lab were brave enough to actually come out and say that.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Stop It

So, more taxes, or more austerity, what would you prefer? If only Lab were brave enough to actually come out and say that.

They actually have - more austerity from them, too. They're aiming to only borrow for capital expenditure while balancing the current budget.

[alanbjames]

I think its gonna be a Labour/Conservative government and there will be nothing but internal fighting.

Hoping everyone turns out to vote but expecting the usual third of the voting population being too apathetic to actually bother and we get another coalition of sorts..All bets are off on the actual parties concerned but it will be interesting.
What is certain is that we have too many weeks of really stupid personalised attacks on candidates.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by alferret

your like a dog with 2 dicks

Is that supposed to be sticks?