'Foreigners' at the hospital

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Russ

We don't know that. All we know is that they apparently look foreign which is good enough for Gary to decide they shouldn't have treatment.

My point there is that it's really easy to tell if someone isn't a UK national/not long 'off the boat'
When I lived in central London I coud easily spot tourists & foreigners and usually accurately tell where they were from. That was in the 80's and I play the same game at car boot sales these days.
Leading on from this, it is easy to tell if a group of people in a hospital A&E are 'not from round ere' and hence it's a reasonable assumption that they have not paid much or any money into the system.

Originally Posted by Russ

We don't know that. All we know is that they apparently look foreign which is good enough for Gary to decide they shouldn't have treatment.

For the narrow minded - I've not said 'health tourism' doesn't exist. That's not what my comments were about.

And of course no thread moaning about "them coming over here" and "getting benefits" should ever fail to bring Islam in to the discussion

well you are hardly the example with your name calling are you

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

If I said they were all black you'd say how do you know some of them haven't got masks on.

If I said they were all dropped off in a big truck that said "Immigrants transport from the border to the hospital" written on the side. you'd say how do you know it wasn't a joke.

The problem is there. it's going to get worse. it needs sorting.

all we have to do is ignore the do gooders and we can sort it.

can we count on you, Russ?

They say ignorance is bliss and you take it to whole new dimensions.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

My point there is that it's really easy to tell if someone isn't a UK national/not long 'off the boat'.

Is it equally easy to tell whether or not someone has paid tax and NI?

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

well you are hardly the example with your name calling are you

The ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black. Well done - back of the net, top corner.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

Is it equally easy to tell whether or not someone has paid tax and NI?

I couldn't even determine whether they drove there or owned a goldfish and a tortoise.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Sorry, can you re-word that question as I can't understand what you are asking......

A UK national could be doing that job and paying the Tax/NI that the non UK national is paying. IE it is not new additional income for the country, it is just replacing who is the "payer". That is before you consider the benefits paid out to the UK national who is instead unemployed. There may be additional GDP generated simply because there is extra demand for things like food etc. Then you also have to factor in the money sent back to the "home" country. Economic activity relies on money passing from A to B to C and so on within the country. As soon as it moves out of the country, even on buying imported items, it is lost to this country and has a bigger negative effect than the amount involved. All in all the financial "benefits" of immigration are wildly exaggerated.

Originally Posted by Russ

They say ignorance is bliss and you take it to whole new dimensions.

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Is it equally easy to tell whether or not someone has paid tax and NI?

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The ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black. Well done - back of the net, top corner.

I am not admin or mod here you are

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I couldn't even determine whether they drove there or owned a goldfish and a tortoise.

The day either of those determine whether someone is entitled to NHS treatment is the day you'll stop publicly embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I am not admin or mod here you are

Good to see you haven't forgotten that. Although it makes no difference to whether or not someone blindly makes ignorant and arrogant assumptions based purely on first appearance.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

The day either of those determine whether someone is entitled to NHS treatment is the day you'll stop publicly embarrassing yourself.

I'm just saying that it's hard to find the things that people put in the way of the problem.

if you tell me how to ask "Have you paid Tax/NI" then I can put it on one of my boards and go back down there tomorrow. and present you the facts.

I'll also need to know how to say "Yes and No"

Originally Posted by Russ

The day either of those determine whether someone is entitled to NHS treatment is the day you'll stop publicly embarrassing yourself.

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Good to see you haven't forgotten that. Although it makes no difference to whether or not someone blindly makes ignorant and arrogant assumptions based purely on first appearance.

lol there you are using that word arrogant again Russ

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm just saying that it's hard to find the things that people put in the way of the problem.

No, the problem is when you base your assumption that they're not entitled to 'free' treatment' because they apparently look foreign, as if that makes any difference. Don't worry I'm fully aware you only started this thread as pseudo humour but still, interesting points have emerged as a result.

If they only just arrived in the UK for treatment and intent to leave without paying for it (which happens a LOT) then that's a massive problem and I'm with you on that. But that's not what you're saying.

How do you know they haven't been living here all their working lives and paid in to the NHS? The argument that how long they've been hear means they're unlikely to have contributed enough falls flat on it's face if you think of an 18 year old having his first pay packet then needing emergency treatment - has he paid in enough?

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

lol there you are using that word arrogant again Russ

Yes, you present me with so many opportunities.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Russ

They say ignorance is bliss and you take it to whole new dimensions.

<snip>

The ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black. Well done - back of the net, top corner.

Seriously, go back and read this thread again. You know what they say about those in glass houses.

I posted match the OP's, hell even my old next door neighbour who came here from Jamaica in the 60's or 70's says there is too many immigrants now and also complained about NHS tourists (among other things)

Originally Posted by Russ

No, the problem is when you base your assumption that they're not entitled to 'free' treatment' because they apparently look foreign, as if that makes any difference. Don't worry I'm fully aware you only started this thread as pseudo humour but still, interesting points have emerged as a result.

If they only just arrived in the UK for treatment and intent to leave without paying for it (which happens a LOT) then that's a massive problem and I'm with you on that. But that's not what you're saying.

How do you know they haven't been living here all their working lives and paid in to the NHS? The argument that how long they've been hear means they're unlikely to have contributed enough falls flat on it's face if you think of an 18 year old having his first pay packet then needing emergency treatment - has he paid in enough?

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Yes, you present me with so many opportunities.

well as I have said before I remember my very first impression of you I on the other hand have openly admitted it on these very forums
Oh and everything was great while I was helping you out privately and sending you stuff through the post

And it was you who talked me into applying to be a mod which totally ruined this place for me

[ceedee]

How much does the NHS lose from foreign 'health tourists'?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Qtx

I posted match the OP's, hell even my old next door neighbour who came here from Jamaica in the 60's or 70's says there is too many immigrants now and also complained about NHS tourists (among other things)

Yes and I agree with both of those.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

Oh and everything was great while I was helping you out privately and sending you stuff through the post

More lies.

I suggest you get back on topic now.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

A UK national could be doing that job and paying the Tax/NI that the non UK national is paying. IE it is not new additional income for the country, it is just replacing who is the "payer". That is before you consider the benefits paid out to the UK national who is instead unemployed. There may be additional GDP generated simply because there is extra demand for things like food etc. Then you also have to factor in the money sent back to the "home" country. Economic activity relies on money passing from A to B to C and so on within the country. As soon as it moves out of the country, even on buying imported items, it is lost to this country and has a bigger negative effect than the amount involved. All in all the financial "benefits" of immigration are wildly exaggerated.

Equally, ex-pats could use our hospitals. I have a cousin who (for tax reasons) only stays in the UK for 90 days a year. He does not pay any tax (although his wife and baby son are UK residents, so she, at least, does). If he should fall ill during a stay here, there is nothing legally wrong with him doing so. He is, after all, still English.

Yet, morally, he would have less right to do so than a woman who came over from India and within a few days, got a low paid job in Sainsburys.

My point is that just because someone is not White and British does not mean they don't pay their way, anymore than someone being White and British does mean they pay their way.

Now, Gary, looking around, can you honestly tell me who is paying their taxes and NI?