This is 2013 - NOT a third world country

[MalteseFalcon]

Yes, I haven't seen much evidence of people starving personally in Stevenage. But hey, Arthur never lets facts get in the way of Tory and Coalition bashing.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by alferret

Arthur there was terrible hardship in the uk long before May 2010.

True.

Have you been shopping lately? Have you seen the cost of staple items on the shelves of the big 4 supermarkets? do you think that the upsurge in prices is down to the current government or do you think that prices are artificially inflated to boost profits for shareholder's.

Also true. It's also worth pointing out that while the supermarkets have been doing this, they have all continually reported record profits. A situation that both Labour and Coalition governments have criticised and have singularly failed to do anything about.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

its NOT Labour fault

There it is, that's all you need to know.

This is what is at that heart of all the, mostly tripe, posts that Arthur makes on a daily basis.

The refusal to acknowledge that Labour took a prosperous economy and over 10 years damn near killed it, so much so that we've been performing CPR on it the last three years and only now has it started breathing for itself.

Hopefully, those that have been suckling the teet of the state aren't numerous enough to get Labour back in again.

[SMG]

labour, Conservative, lib Dems, UKIP, they all pee in the same pot, there's no difference, just wear different badges, all liar & rip off merchants,

[MalteseFalcon]

I reckon that if in the next 18 months we get some decent recovery in the economy that Cameron could get an overall majority. Think that will be the only thing that can stop Labour getting back in again.

We DO NOT need or want a return to the borrow spend and debt cycle that Brown and Darling left Cameron and Clegg to sort out.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

I reckon that if in the next 18 months we get some decent recovery in the economy that Cameron could get an overall majority. Think that will be the only thing that can stop Labour getting back in again.

We DO NOT need or want a return to the borrow spend and debt cycle that Brown and Darling left Cameron and Clegg to sort out.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

I reckon that if in the next 18 months we get some decent recovery in the economy that Cameron could get an overall majority. Think that will be the only thing that can stop Labour getting back in again.

We DO NOT need or want a return to the borrow spend and debt cycle that Brown and Darling left Cameron and Clegg to sort out.

If they get back in they won't have the room for financial manoeuvre that they enjoyed in 1997. The heat will be on for them to deliver and their spending plans will be subject to close scrutiny. After 13 years of lies, spin and gross financial ineptitude I can't imagine why anyone would vote for Labour but you only have to read garbage like the OP's output to realise why some will.
I predict Labour will not deliver on their promises and unlike 1997, they won't have nearly 2 decades of 'Tory mistakes' to cite as excuses for their failures. If the economy is still improving at that point, they'll have nowhere to hide when it all starts to unravel as their 'policies' are exposed.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Why, why is everyone blaming Labour for the crap that we are in. Who is suffering most out of all this - the unemployed, the people that are on benefit through no fault of their own - people such as those who cannot work who are ill.

We now have food banks which are being used more and more, and now we have the Red Cross getting involved.

This is people that cannot afford the bare essentials, utility bills are going up and no one is stopping that are they.

Sometimes the members on this forum really get on my wick for supporting a government that rather than look after its own people, it would rather send billions of pounds to overseas countries.

I am suffering - l have a job, but have been told to downsize. I can no longer to go out due to the expense - its the fault of the present government for not looking after the voter.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

<snip>.

The trouble is - you have had ALL your points responded to again and again BUT you choose to ignore that so why would people continue to repeat themselves to you as you don't listen.

Also - just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they support the current government. It means they don't agree with you - quite simple.

[MalteseFalcon]

Why are we blaming Labour? Well quite simple really.

1. Labour allowed all and bloody sundry to claim benefits with no incentive to get OFF the dole into work. Hence why Cameron is seen to be hitting the poor is because he is trying to get those who are happy to sit on their backsides into work.

2. Tories never went into a borrow and spend cycle like Brown and Darling did. Which is why Labour INHERITED a good economy. Coalition inherit a crap economy.

There are loads more reasons, but to be quite honest I am heartily sick and tired of the Coalition being bashed for the way they are trying to get us out of the mire we were in, done by a LABOUR government. Whose Chancellor was it that sold our gold reserves? Thatcher, Major? No, it was Blair's Chancellor who sold them all off. Had he waited another 10 years, we would have had an asset to sell to cut down our deficit.

Until you accept that the Coalition are trying to rescue us from bankruptcy and having to go cap in hand to Germany, then the more you are going to be riducled.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Why, why is everyone blaming Labour for the crap that we are in. Who is suffering most out of all this - the unemployed, the people that are on benefit through no fault of their own - people such as those who cannot work who are ill.

We now have food banks which are being used more and more, and now we have the Red Cross getting involved.

This is people that cannot afford the bare essentials, utility bills are going up and no one is stopping that are they.

Sometimes the members on this forum really get on my wick for supporting a government that rather than look after its own people, it would rather send billions of pounds to overseas countries.

I am suffering - l have a job, but have been told to downsize. I can no longer to go out due to the expense - its the fault of the present government for not looking after the voter.

If things are so hard for you Arthur then sell one of your cars

Gotta love the UK don't address the issue apportion blame job done for once Arthur has a point we shouldn't be in this position and i really don't care whose watch it started under it is happening. This is why we whinge like hell but never do anything about it because we allow politicians to set us at each other rather then demanding more of them and holding them to account for their constant failures and still buy the rubbish that our next vote can do a thing. I don't even believe in any of the political party's anymore because it doesn't matter they are all filled with plastic generic hot air blowers none of whom care or give a damn about us.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by MarkC1984

I reckon that if in the next 18 months we get some decent recovery in the economy that Cameron could get an overall majority. Think that will be the only thing that can stop Labour getting back in again.

We DO NOT need or want a return to the borrow spend and debt cycle that Brown and Darling left Cameron and Clegg to sort out.

They've continued the borrow, spend and debt cycle, as smg said their all the same, just different coloured Rosettes on the donkeys

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Why, why is everyone blaming Labour for the crap that we are in.

because they were instrumental in causing it, or can't you get your remaining brain cells around that?

Who is suffering most out of all this - the unemployed, the people that are on benefit through no fault of their own

. How do you know? There's plenty of people that choose not to work.

people such as those who cannot work who are ill.

I don't believe the "ill" have been targeted, any facts?

Sometimes the members on this forum really get on my wick

you get on my wick

.for supporting a government that rather than look after its own people, it would rather send billions of pounds to overseas countries.

just like every single government before it! but these ones are extra evil?

I am suffering - l have a job, but have been told to downsize. I can no longer to go out due to the expense - its the fault of the present government for not looking after the voter.

It's called living within your means? If you could afford to live in a big house you will.......if you can afford to go out you will..................


If you can't you won't, the reason we're in the poo is that we didn't accept the truth.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

The trouble is - you have had ALL your points responded to again and again BUT you choose to ignore that so why would people continue to repeat themselves to you as you don't listen.

Also - just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they support the current government. It means they don't agree with you - quite simple.

The problem is that he never responds to the facts that people raise about his rants. When we then ask him to respond to those facts he just flatly fails to answer us. Then because we post that his has not responded and that his post is full of rubbish we are then accused of carrying out a vendetta and we are bullying him.

The sad fact is that Arthur is a full blown troll who will post his rubbish and then run. He NEVER responds when someone comes along with facts that show he has posted bull excreta. He rants on and on about any tiny bit of info he can find that will allow him to have a good old Tory rant, He seems to have done every job he ever rants about. He never admits that we are in the crap we are in because of his beloved Labour.

He really does fit the typical forum troll.

I will now sit back and await my infractions for telling it as it is and the expected accusation that i am bullying him again .