You can't get me I'm part of the Union........

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Top banana

Bloody hell, that letter reads like something from the 70's, the tech I know said they were letting the staff decide even though they could end it anyway as its a voluntary agreement from NTl days?

Once the is a high enough percentage they legally have to recognise trade unions so this is just a way they are hoping to get out of having to legally recognise unions, as above all this will do is enforce the need for union membership and will backfire on the company.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Also, the action that the CWU has taken regarding Albert Dock has seriously soured relations between the two parties. Unfortunately, VM are not happy bunnies at all, i've been expecting something like this.

Get real the company tried to close the Albert Dock in an underhand way not realising that they would be caught with their trousers down and will be punished for their high handedness in a few weeks time.

This is the real reason for the company desperately trying to undermine union membership before the unfavourable result comes out which will result in a sharp rise in new members of the CWU as they realise it is the way to go.

If anyone is stupid enough to believe anything this company says and decides to drop their membership then they will just be giving this company a remit to ride roughshod over any agreements already in place.

I and all my ex colleagues and CWU union members from the Albert Dock are awaiting the result of the tribunal with bated breath as the evidence against the company is overwhelming, a little bit of bad publicity for Virgin Media just before Christmas will be our perfect gift at that time.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Once the is a high enough percentage they legally have to recognise trade unions so this is just a way they are hoping to get out of having to legally recognise unions, as above all this will do is enforce the need for union membership and will backfire on the company.

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Get real the company tried to close the Albert Dock in an underhand way not realising that they would be caught with their trousers down and will be punished for their high handedness in a few weeks time.

This is the real reason for the company desperately trying to undermine union membership before the unfavourable result comes out which will result in a sharp rise in new members of the CWU as they realise it is the way to go.

If anyone is stupid enough to believe anything this company says and decides to drop their membership then they will just be giving this company a remit to ride roughshod over any agreements already in place.

I and all my ex colleagues and CWU union members from the Albert Dock are awaiting the result of the tribunal with bated breath as the evidence against the company is overwhelming, a little bit of bad publicity for Virgin Media just before Christmas will be our perfect gift at that time.

I was talking to an engineer yesterday who felt that the vote is a smoke screen and that they will drop the recognition no matter what. He thinks VM have a reason for this vote that they are not talking about

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I was talking to an engineer yesterday who felt that the vote is a smoke screen and that they will drop the recognition no matter what. He thinks VM have a reason for this vote that they are not talking about

They do have the little matter of having to comply with UK legislation. Quite simply if the numbers add up then VM have to negotiate with the union.

It seems to me that VM management are a great recruiting tool for the union. The more that people fear there are ulterior motives by the underhand management, then the more likely they are to see the benefits of collective bargaining.

Originally Posted by Peter_

Once the is a high enough percentage they legally have to recognise trade unions so this is just a way they are hoping to get out of having to legally recognise unions, as above all this will do is enforce the need for union membership and will backfire on the company.

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Get real the company tried to close the Albert Dock in an underhand way not realising that they would be caught with their trousers down and will be punished for their high handedness in a few weeks time.

This is the real reason for the company desperately trying to undermine union membership before the unfavourable result comes out which will result in a sharp rise in new members of the CWU as they realise it is the way to go.

If anyone is stupid enough to believe anything this company says and decides to drop their membership then they will just be giving this company a remit to ride roughshod over any agreements already in place.

I and all my ex colleagues and CWU union members from the Albert Dock are awaiting the result of the tribunal with bated breath as the evidence against the company is overwhelming, a little bit of bad publicity for Virgin Media just before Christmas will be our perfect gift at that time.

I might be being thick here but looking on google it suggests you worked for Adecco not VM ? My last comment on the subject as it appears very personal to you, would be - you are only hearing one side of the story and a court will hear both - good luck hope it works out the way you want

[Sirius]

Well we have a interesting few weeks ahead i feel. Cannot wait to see the out come of the vote.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Once the is a high enough percentage they legally have to recognise trade unions so this is just a way they are hoping to get out of having to legally recognise unions, as above all this will do is enforce the need for union membership and will backfire on the company.

---------- Post added at 06:30 ---------- Previous post was at 06:23 ----------


Get real the company tried to close the Albert Dock in an underhand way not realising that they would be caught with their trousers down and will be punished for their high handedness in a few weeks time.

This is the real reason for the company desperately trying to undermine union membership before the unfavourable result comes out which will result in a sharp rise in new members of the CWU as they realise it is the way to go.

If anyone is stupid enough to believe anything this company says and decides to drop their membership then they will just be giving this company a remit to ride roughshod over any agreements already in place.

I and all my ex colleagues and CWU union members from the Albert Dock are awaiting the result of the tribunal with bated breath as the evidence against the company is overwhelming, a little bit of bad publicity for Virgin Media just before Christmas will be our perfect gift at that time.

Gloating born out of sour grapes is never a pleasant trait to witness.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Well we have a interesting few weeks ahead i feel. Cannot wait to see the out come of the vote.

I'm surprised to see you Sirius, last time I encountered you, you said you were changing your name

Anyway, do you believe that VM need to continue to recognise the CWU, even though you believe that they are an excellent employer?

Originally Posted by Top banana

I might be being thick here but looking on google it suggests you worked for Adecco not VM ? My last comment on the subject as it appears very personal to you, would be - you are only hearing one side of the story and a court will hear both - good luck hope it works out the way you want

Yes, it was agency work he was doing for Adecco as opposed to being employed by VM.

I agree with your sentiments, he does appear to be "counting his chickens before they are hatched"

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Anyway, do you believe that VM need to continue to recognise the CWU, even though you believe that they are an excellent employer?

They aren't recognised in most of the company though - it only covers the Access division and then only in ex-Telewest areas (as the CWU letter says)

VM don't stop anyone joining the CWU if that's what they wish, but personally to me this is about treating all employees the same.

Whether or not the CWU should be recognised by the whole of VM is a different question

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Oh and the CWU aren't exactly saints themselves.

This:

Already, members who have asked how their pay would be decided have been told it will be down to the manager to decide, there will be no negotiations through the Voice Forum, it will revert to the same individual process followed elsewhere in Virgin Media, which may benefit one or two, but the vast majority lose out

is no way the full story about how pay is arrived at for those directly employed by VM

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Oh and the CWU aren't exactly saints themselves.

I feel the next few weeks are going to be interesting to say the least

Oh and @RichardCoulter I have you on ignore and have no intention of ever replying to anymore of you posts so don't bother continuing to try and bait me as you will never get a reply in any form from this point onwards.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by damien c

How is this vote being conducted, is it via a independent company or are VM doing the counting of the vote ?

I have been advised that it will be processed by an independent company called "Electoral Reform Services".

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Originally Posted by Sirius

I feel the next few weeks are going to be interesting to say the least

Oh and @RichardCoulter I have you on ignore and have no intention of ever replying to anymore of you posts so don't bother continuing to try and bait me as you will never get a reply in any form from this point onwards.

You are an odd fellow, since when has asking a question been "baiting"?

You were supposed to have put me on ignore months ago, i'm glad that you finally have as you just seem to want to stir things up for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Peter_

Once the is a high enough percentage they legally have to recognise trade unions so this is just a way they are hoping to get out of having to legally recognise unions, as above all this will do is enforce the need for union membership and will backfire on the company.

The last Labour Government brought in the legislation to which you refer. You can expect the coalition to repeal this very soon as part of their "efforts to make employability easier for employers, to help overcome the economic downturn".

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Well we have a interesting few weeks ahead i feel. Cannot wait to see the out come of the vote.

we do live in interesting times- i also can't wait for the out come of this vote
and the heartbeat survey, it should be an entertaining time ahead

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

we do live in interesting times- i also can't wait for the out come of this vote
and the heartbeat survey, it should be an entertaining time ahead

The 2012 Heartbeat survey is primarily concerned with finding out if financial incentives to staff, in particular the sharesave and performance-related pay schemes, are value for money.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

They aren't recognised in most of the company though - it only covers the Access division and then only in ex-Telewest areas (as the CWU letter says)

VM don't stop anyone joining the CWU if that's what they wish, but personally to me this is about treating all employees the same.

Whether or not the CWU should be recognised by the whole of VM is a different question

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Oh and the CWU aren't exactly saints themselves.

This:



is no way the full story about how pay is arrived at for those directly employed by VM

exactly there is no negotiation its take it or work elsewhere

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The 2012 Heartbeat survey is primarily concerned with finding out if financial incentives to staff, in particular the sharesave and performance-related pay schemes, are value for money.

Strange, I don't remember that being a question

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

exactly there is no negotiation its take it or work elsewhere

Except that isn't what is being implied.

Certainly the jobs I've done in VM, my managers have had no discretion in my pay - unless it's related to any performance element

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

we do live in interesting times- i also can't wait for the out come of this vote
and the heartbeat survey, it should be an entertaining time ahead

Forgot about that, i filled it out accordingly

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Forgot about that, i filled it out accordingly

me too -no holds barred on that day


and as far as i'm concerned that aspire scam was a declaration of war