President Obama reelected to a second term - Page 2

**Hugh** · 30-08-2012, 11:02

Top five fibs from Paul Ryan's convention speech (most of which have been pointed out (to him) before to be not true - so it's the old "if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it" ploy.....

TPM

Here's a couple...

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Ryan said the Obama presidency, “began with a perfect Triple-A credit rating for the United States; it ends with a downgraded America.”
Standard & Poors downgraded the country’s sovereign debt rating in 2011 because congressional Republicans, of which Ryan is a key leader, threatened not to increase the country’s borrowing authority — risking a default on the debt ....

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Ryan criticized Obama for — yes — not using government funds to prop up an auto plant in his district.
“A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years,’” Ryan recalled. “That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.”
Ignoring the inconsistency of a Republican chastising Obama for not bailing out more auto manufacturers, the plant in question closed before Obama’s inauguration in 2009.

Ryan chastised Obama: “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.”
Ryan sat on that commission. He voted against it. Following his lead, so did the panel’s other House Republicans.

Near the end of his speech, Ryan claimed the campaign’s top priority is protecting the poor. “We have responsibilities, one to another — we do not each face the world alone,” he said. “And the greatest of all responsibilities, is that of the strong to protect the weak.”
Just under two thirds of the dramatic spending cuts in Ryan’s budget target programs that benefit low-income people. That plan also calls for large tax cuts for high-income earners.

Update.

Wow! Even Fox News has called Ryan out on his "inaccuracies"....

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1. Dazzling

2. Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

3. Distracting
And then there’s what Ryan didn’t talk about.
Ryan didn’t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters

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Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.
Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president

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Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit

**Maggy** · 30-08-2012, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Wow! Even Fox News has called Ryan out on his "inaccuracies"....

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Itshim · 30-08-2012, 16:35

This morning I heard that Mitt Romney had a two point lead it the polls.
Not keen on the person. However prefer his policies.Reverse is true of the President. So Romney will get my vote, unless something really happens that changes my mind.

**Hugh** · 30-08-2012, 16:56

Which of his policies (which he has yet to fully define) do you prefer?

**Damien** · 30-08-2012, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Itshim

This morning I heard that Mitt Romney had a two point lead it the polls.

Romney is about even with Obama in the polls but he is behind in the swing states. At the moment Obama leads in most of the swing states by a few points.

chris9991 · 30-08-2012, 20:43

Though I don't want him too, I think Romney will win. A lot of US voters are saying that they are disappointed with Obama and may now be 'tiring' of him and want to try something else. To be honest whoever they choose I can't see making a big difference.

**Hugh** · 30-08-2012, 22:44

Unless you are not rich and live in the USA - the policies on the Republican platform will affect those people negatively...

Itshim · 31-08-2012, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Which of his policies (which he has yet to fully define) do you prefer?

General views Health care , welfare , taxes , support of troops. immigration.

Voted for Obama. last time. Never again

Not a natural Democrats , tend to lean to Republicans.

Have to a say voted for Bush Snr. & Jnr.( What a mistaka to makea) but my reasoning was from TEXAS. & the south is a big reason to me. Roots & all that

So if a Democrat from Louisiana stood it would be no contest for me

**Damien** · 31-08-2012, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Itshim

General views Health care , welfare , taxes , support of troops. immigration.

Voted for Obama. last time. Never again

Which policies though? Especially if you voted for Obama last time, his position on those issues weren't exactly hidden.

Itshim · 31-08-2012, 13:52

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Which policies though? Especially if you voted for Obama last time, his position on those issues weren't exactly hidden.

Like the look of the guy. really it was so close Do not want McCain at the time.If Palin had stood for president -She would have had MY vote

This was the only time I recall voting democrat. How ever I did vote for Ross Perot.

On another note you want dirty politics watch US TV ads.

While happy to talk politics, not sure what it has to do with people in the UK in general. The people I spend time with see the UK as a minor interest in the real world - except for the troops really support them- pity we do not seem to really care about them. Sorry off topic & on hobby horse

**Damien** · 31-08-2012, 14:04

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Originally Posted by Itshim

While happy to talk politics, not sure what it has to do with people in the UK in general. The people I spend time with see the UK as a minor interest in the real world - except for the troops really support them- pity we do not seem to really care about them. Sorry off topic & on hobby horse

America has a big effect on the world and we're more aware of international affairs anyway.

**Maggy** · 31-08-2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Like the look of the guy. really it was so close Do not want McCain at the time.If Palin had stood for president -She would have had MY vote

This was the only time I recall voting democrat. How ever I did vote for Ross Perot.

On another note you want dirty politics watch US TV ads.

While happy to talk politics, not sure what it has to do with people in the UK in general. The people I spend time with see the UK as a minor interest in the real world - except for the troops really support them- pity we do not seem to really care about them. Sorry off topic & on hobby horse

See that's what annoys the rest of the world about the US..As if us out here are just fleas on the world and Americans and their doings are only the business of the Americans.

The truth is that the US has enough money and resources to push everyone else about discounting China and so whomever wins the Presidential election will figure hugely in what happens to the rest of the world.
The current crop of Republicans apparently only care about the rich white Americans in their party and are completely ignorant about the rest of the world. The gaffes Romney committed whilst on his sojourn around the world recently certainly underline that ignorance.

Itshim · 03-09-2012, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

See that's what annoys the rest of the world about the US..As if us out here are just fleas on the world and Americans and their doings are only the business of the Americans.

The truth is that the US has enough money and resources to push everyone else about discounting China and so whomever wins the Presidential election will figure hugely in what happens to the rest of the world.
The current crop of Republicans apparently only care about the rich white Americans in their party and are completely ignorant about the rest of the world. The gaffes Romney committed whilst on his sojourn around the world recently certainly underline that ignorance.

Very true. America in general only care what happens to them. I would not call my close /extended family,as rich( well off -yes) but nearly all are registered Republicans. Other than for very local issues( Brothers & Sisters are UK born).(Lots only have a vague attachment to the Mother country - but its a Walt Disney type view after the first generation

)They have no interest in what is happening in the UK or for that matter in Europe. This is a sweeping statement I understand but true from the people I have met.

I will unless something major changes my mind vote Republican. Fell for the patter of Obama. Not again.

**Damien** · 03-09-2012, 16:30

Democratic National Convention this week.

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Originally Posted by Itshim

I will unless something major changes my mind vote Republican. Fell for the patter of Obama. Not again.

Which parts do you think Obama let you down on?

Sparkle · 03-09-2012, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Itshim

If Palin had stood for president -She would have had MY vote

Each to their own I suppose, but I think Palin is a complete fruitcake. Can't imagine why anyone would vote for her. I'd also go further and suggest that most Americans probably wouldn't either.

Obama will get my vote this time, since if Twit Romney gets in there will be big trouble. For one thing, that idiot will follow Netanyahu into a war with Iran as soon as he starts one. And he will, just as soon as he's convinced the US will offer its full support. I'm quite sure that Romney will say and do whatever he thinks will get him into office.
If the US invades Iran, I think that will pretty much be the end of the US as the world's sole superpower.
I'd have liked to have believed that in our democratic system, an idiot like Bush Jr or Romney would have been removed from the vetting process at an early stage, but the bitter reality is that any idiot can survive to any stage of the presidential race with the right spin and backing. Even if Romney doesn't win, it will most likely be very close.

Says a lot really, when the best we seem to have to offer to lead a main political party are the likes of Romney/Akin. I think the US is a democracy only in name. Representative republic seems more accurate (imo).
That's not to say we're any better in the UK however. Both systems are far from perfect. Problem is, nothing ever seems to change.

Anyway, I don't believe and nor have I ever believed that Obama is/was the savior many have made him out to be, but I think he's the lesser of two evils in this case.

If Romney wins the election then I will be very concerned, as will many people.