France expels its gypsies

[Taf]

Originally Posted by PeteL

well done, britain should take the same stance with all our unwanted guests

This lot are not just unwanted, they are a major blight wherever they turn up. Many managed to get Czech citizenship when the country split in two... and that group have full legal rights to come here to work, unlike the Romanians who have restrictions upon them.

I have experienced their style of "integration" over here, and it quickly went from menial cleaning jobs to theft, prostitution, drug crime and general ignoring of our laws and customs. And I'm not talking about one or two persons but dozens of them!

Originally Posted by Taf

This lot are not just unwanted, they are a major blight wherever they turn up. Many managed to get Czech citizenship when the country split in two... and that group have full legal rights to come here to work, unlike the Romanians who have restrictions upon them.

I have experienced their style of "integration" over here, and it quickly went from menial cleaning jobs to theft, prostitution, drug crime and general ignoring of our laws and customs. And I'm not talking about one or two persons but dozens of them!

I think this is different. These people had an established location in Marseilles and the animosity towards them seems to have stemmed from typical migration/population issues that are the same as we have here when a newly formed immigrant group establishes a community in a certain area.

Also, the rather drastic approach they are taking is even worrying people within the government, such as the Prime Minister, who are not sympathetic to immigration but feel the government is going too far and is doing so for populist (political) reasons.

Besides, we really do not want to take lessons from France on how to deal with immigration. They do not handle it well at all, remember the race riots a few years ago? Remember the certain politician, then interior minister, whose reaction was praised by some sectors of the French population?

Worst of all these kind of action treats these people as sub-human. If something must be done then it should be measured, free from political posturing, and done without the level of hostility shown here. After all the reaction of some people towards the Roma seriously risks us dehumanizing them. Bad things happen after that.

It does say in the article that the camps are illegal so i don't see what the problem is realy ,we deport illegal imigants...sometimes surely france has the same right

Following the disturbance, Sarkozy immediately called an emergency cabinet meeting and then ordered the ‘systematic evacuation’ of all the illegal camps and squats.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Britain here we come.

I thought you were here already, Arthur.....

[Hom3r]

Someone once said "theres 3 thing wrong with France"

1. The food.
2. They speak French.
3. It's full of French people.

I like the food.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I got the wrong plane, l like the frogs myself.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I like the food.

I think I'd go crazy eating croissants and cheese all day.

[Zee]

why should they not stay there? Everyone should have the right to live where they want as long as they are willing to work. Some people may think there were unwanted guests in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, but what happens?

Originally Posted by Zee

why should they not stay there? Everyone should have the right to live where they want as long as they are willing to work. Some people may think there were unwanted guests in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, but what happens?

no they should not

They also should not be of detriment to the country.

[Zee]

Originally Posted by zing

no they should not

They also should not be of detriment to the country.

why not?

because they are not always a benefit to the country

also the middle east would be empty and places like the UK quite cramped

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Zee

why should they not stay there? Everyone should have the right to live where they want as long as they are willing to work. Some people may think there were unwanted guests in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places, but what happens?

A fine idea in theory. What happens in practice? Two things.

1) You get a lot of people moving to a country because they can get well paid jobs there. This, in turn, can reduce the amount of jobs for the local population.

2) You get a situation where a country gets into trouble because most of it's skilled personnel are working in other countries. This is apparently happening in Poland where major building projects are having to employ people from other countries because the best qualified Polish people are living and working abroad. This, in turn, forces prices up in that country. Why is this? Simple. Countries that have a lot of workers leave for other countries (like Poland) often have low wages. This is also the attraction for the new employers of those workers, as they can pay them more than they would get in their native country, but still less than what local workers might want. In the mean time, companies in the country these workers come from still have vacancies to fill, so they need to look abroad. That means that not only do they have to match what the workers from much higher-paying countries want, but they have the expense of searching overseas for workers.

[Taf]

From what I have seen of the Roma here (and that's a lot I can tell you), they came with the promise of wealth, but forgot to include taxes, rents, high prices, etc. into their calculations.

Most were/are actually worse off, especially as they had to have valid driving licences and tax, insure and MOT their cars. Plus their staples, alcohol and tobacco, are far more expensive in the UK.

Then they found that a guaranteed income came with children (Family Allowance and Child Tax Credits) so there was the start of a mini population explosion amongst their group.

Not that their offspring see much of that money.... it all seems to go on powerful gas-guzzling cars, widescreen TVs, branded sport footwear, tobacco and alcohol.

The family near me went from 3 kids to 5 in 18 months, the kids got no birthday or Xmas presents, were dressed car boot sale clothing (and sometimes clothing taken from inside charity recycling points and bags), and lived off pasta, bread and ketchup with occasional fruit or yoghurt. Their father paid for school meals for them for only a few months, fell into arrears with the school, so the kids went to school with cheapo crisps and biscuits.

They decided not to pay the rent to their landlord after about a year, even though they were receiving Housing Benefit to pay him. It took their landlord almost another year, and a lot of legal fees, to get them moved out. No rent paid for the entire period though! Many others of their extended family are now doing the same thing, then declaring themselves homeless and DEMANDING Council homes.