Muslim Anti Terror Camp

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I thought that the alleged unrelated story you were referring to, was the link about the 13-storey Islamic cultural centre. Especially as that was the only story referred to, in my post apart from the current topic.

Im not jumping on you here, everyone is entitled to their opinion but what would your solution be to hopefully make things better/stop them getting worse?

Damned if they do, damned if they don't (it would seem, in some peoples' eyes).

I don't remember the Catholic Church setting one of these up during the IRA bombing campaigns......

[Ramrod]

Brilliant idea

[nomadking]

Too many people are deluded(or supporters of terrorism) if they think that this is going to have any real effect. The headline isn't 'terrorism reduced because of camp', so stop making inflated and unjustifiable claims for it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I don't remember the Catholic Church setting one of these up during the IRA bombing campaigns......

To be fair the 2 are very different, I doubt any IRA murderer planted a bomb because he thought it'd please his God and there were quite a few anti IRA marches organised by Catholics. I seem to remember something from way back when about the IRA being threatened with excommunication if they carried on to and that is where Islam suffers in regard to this, they don't have a leader that can lay down the law or offer guidance to those that interpret teachings, meaning you can have any hook handed rabble rouser spouting any rubbish he wishes to suit his own agenda as long as it sounds reasonably convincing.

[speedfreak]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Too many people are deluded(or supporters of terrorism) if they think that this is going to have any real effect. The headline isn't 'terrorism reduced because of camp', so stop making inflated and unjustifiable claims for it.

Very constructive. So we are all deluded or (and I take offence to this) a supporter of terrorism. Great. I see you didnt answer my question re:what would your idea be

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I thought that the alleged unrelated story you were referring to, was the link about the 13-storey Islamic cultural centre. Especially as that was the only story referred to, in my post apart from the current topic.

Yes. My quote was from that story..

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Too many people are deluded(or supporters of terrorism) if they think that this is going to have any real effect.

I am neither deluded nor a supporter of terrorism. In fact, I take offense at the suggestion I am either.

The headline isn't 'terrorism reduced because of camp', so stop making inflated and unjustifiable claims for it.

The camp has only just been set up, so how on earth would it have reduced terrorism yet? No one here has made any claims it will succeed, more that someone is attempting to do something positive in an attempt to reduce terrorism.

You are knocking something because you *believe* it will fail.

As with speedfreak, I am interested to hear your ideas on solving this problem. Bearing in mind that any attempt to ban or restrict Islam is just going to add fuel to their fire, and persuade people they are being oppressed (which is a major cause of the problem).

Originally Posted by nomadking

Too many people are deluded(or supporters of terrorism) if they think that this is going to have any real effect. The headline isn't 'terrorism reduced because of camp', so stop making inflated and unjustifiable claims for it.

Its how things start nomad ,small steps ,if everybody had your attitude black people would still be slaves and women wouldn't have the vote ,nobody is saying anything will happen overnight ,it will take time ,all we have to is support the small initiatives like this and they will grow to be the dominant way of thinking it's not deluded to think like that it's called being positive

[nomadking]

The people attending the camp will not be the ones deemed 'most likely to bomb' and therefore forced to attend. How is anything new going to be said that will convince anybody?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The people attending the camp will not be the ones deemed 'most likely to bomb' and therefore forced to attend. How is anything new going to be said that will convince anybody?

How do you know this?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

How do you know this?

a) Where does it say that attendees are selected and forced to attend. It's not some form of rehab.
b) Anything that would be said, has(or should have) been said already.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think "anti terror camp" is misleading ,the idea is not only to teach that terrorism is against the muslim faith but to re-educate young muslims in the basic principles of the faith ,to return to the core of muslim teaching . At least someone recognises the need for re-education instead of burying their heads and pretending the problem does not exist

Yes, let us hope that as a result of this the world will be at peace.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

The people attending the camp will not be the ones deemed 'most likely to bomb' and therefore forced to attend. How is anything new going to be said that will convince anybody?

I hope there will be a good turnout. otherwise they might knock it on the head and we won't get anywhere then.

Originally Posted by nomadking

The people attending the camp will not be the ones deemed 'most likely to bomb' and therefore forced to attend. How is anything new going to be said that will convince anybody?

It's not what is being said it's who is saying it .Without a single leader as with catholics and the pope ,the muslim faith relies very heavily on influential people like Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri to interpret the koran and even would be terrorists would think twice before contradicting his teachings or others of his stature .Thats how the muslim faith works and needs to be understood by people who denounce him and others as "religious nuts on a soap box in the park"

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Well, 'Guardian/Observer' are also ignoring the camp

Eh?

Guardian.co.uk - Muslim group holds 'anti-terrorism' summer camp

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

by people who denounce him and others as "religious nuts on a soap box in the park"

Do they regard him as a "religious nut" or just those outside of the religion?