14-11-2011, 17:07
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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apparently only the queen can do that ,so i ask myself ,why doesn't she
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and another thing ,how come Commons members get sent to jail (well some do ) but peers of the realm don't ?
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I think that's all down to the interpretation by the Lords authorities and, in particular, official guidance offered after the event.
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....it has emerged that there was no definition of 'main address' in any of the guidance to peers - meaning they were free to nominate any property they like.
Then, in guidance produced only last month, the Clerk of the Parliament Michael Pownall, a senior Lords official suggested that visiting a property once a month was enough to qualify. The move was agreed by the House Committee chaired by Speaker Baroness Hayman.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1257391/Absurd-rules-allow-expenses-fiddling-peers-dodge-justice.html#ixzz1dhk1ZRKj
Apparently, Keir Starmer (Director of Public Prosecutions)
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could barely disguise his frustration as he explained that the rule change meant he could not authorise charges against Lady Uddin. He said the guidance would inevitably have been seized on by defence lawyers.
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14-11-2011, 17:10
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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so basically the peers can make their own rules  that figures 
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14-11-2011, 17:10
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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apparently only the queen can do that ,so i ask myself ,why doesn't she
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and another thing ,how come Commons members get sent to jail (well some do ) but peers of the realm don't ?
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sadly she dont care.
I always thought people convicted lost peerage so why is Archer kept his too.
Although Zing makes valid point the peers have kept some scandalous bills from seeing light of day. Its corrupted by governments giving peerage to make sure the onus is balanced into there favour so there crazy bills get in.
Its scandalous they not forced to pay back what they stole even worse allowed back they should be stripped and jailed.
£300 a day criminally disgusting wage. Most are millionairres although deserve a pay it should be token £100 a day still healthy £500 a week.
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14-11-2011, 17:11
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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Set one up and i will sign it and advertise the bugger as much as i can.
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14-11-2011, 19:53
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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That is so wrong on so many levels.
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And l will second that.
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15-11-2011, 15:07
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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as i understand it this woman owns more that one property -that means one can be sold off to repay the money
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Only in your world matey!
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14-12-2011, 10:21
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Peers who wrongly claimed expenses will be banned from returning to the House of Lords until they repay the money.
There had been suggestions two suspended peers would return to the Lords and use their daily allowance to pay off the money they owed.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16175509
I still can't believe these people had the gall to try to resume their offices at all!
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14-12-2011, 12:59
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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Yes it does beggar belief that they tried to get their offices back. 
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14-12-2011, 14:14
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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I still cannot understand why the Lords cannot find a way of banning these people completely for ever, there you have these "elite" who have the power to change laws in some cases fiddling IE Lord Taylor,Lord Hanningfield,Lady uddin,and Perjurors in the case of Jeffrey Archer all able to eventually sit again in judgment of us all.
Does not surprise me they have their snouts in the trough on the wider issue why do they do it,because they can i guess is the answer, and because uintil caught they think they are immune from the rules that govern us ie the non elite of society, its all very corrupt sadly.
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Set one up and i will sign it and advertise the bugger as much as i can.
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Not sure how to set one up but like you i would sign it if there was one.!
Its hard to see how those in the House of lords who have done time is some cases,and will not repay fiddled expenses in others have the gall to return,if it was me i would never show my face again.
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After voluntarily working for a political party and meeting lots of our elected representatives both good and not so good i can believe they have the gall,some of them are completely shameless ,although i l like to think they are in the minority.
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14-12-2011, 14:33
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Re: Peers at the trough?
Their Lordship's aren't paid (for being a peer at least). That said they should obey the spirit of the law as that's really what counts. They should have expenses paid where reasonable but shouldn't claim where they don't need to. That said sometimes the letter of the law means they have to claim that way even when it's "silly".
As for those peers gaoled, they should pay back before they resume their seats and maybe even not be allowed to affect laws linked to the crimes they have been found guilty of. (Some still have good brains and abilities that it would be a waste to not use.)
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14-12-2011, 14:44
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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Their Lordship's aren't paid (for being a peer at least). That said they should obey the spirit of the law as that's really what counts. They should have expenses paid where reasonable but shouldn't claim where they don't need to. That said sometimes the letter of the law means they have to claim that way even when it's "silly".
As for those peers gaoled, they should pay back before they resume their seats and maybe even not be allowed to affect laws linked to the crimes they have been found guilty of. (Some still have good brains and abilities that it would be a waste to not use.)
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Peers although not offically paid get a £300 attendance allowance plus "expenses" ,if they want and some do they can come into London sneak off and do some shopping and go home although obviously many stay,so it is a pay of sorts.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-2031031.html
As for letting them carry on sitting well nobody is indispensable despite having brains,i am sure brainy people are frothing at the mouth to get in for all the privelidge the title brings with it, for example if i robbed a bank (many would say those peers robbed the public bank) i doubt wether i would get a job ever again in the financial service sector,or anywhere else perhaps and i would be sacked from my current one without a doubt.
Yet these peers are allowed to remain well surely if their brains were that good they would never have got themselves into the mess they did,their brains would have told them it was not worth it.!
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24-04-2012, 18:54
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Suspended peer Baroness Uddin will return to the House of Lords in May after repaying more than £125,000 she wrongly claimed in expenses.
The politician follows fellow peer Lord Hanningfield, who has returned to Parliament after he repaid £30,000.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17827746
Breathtaking gall!!
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24-04-2012, 18:58
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Re: Peers at the trough?
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If that was you or me we would have been in jail.
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27-05-2012, 18:13
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Labour MPs are calling for an investigation into an expenses claim by the co-chair of the Conservative Party, Baroness Warsi, in 2008.
Questions are being asked about whether she paid rent at a London house, for which she claimed an allowance.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18227036
Yet another?
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