Political or Religious Hatred?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I'll ask again, share with us how you are "sure it could work" if he were / had he been charged under anti-terror laws.

On what premise and using which particular elements of that legislation Gary?

I don't know. if they can manage it with a man and a camera. I'm sure it could work with a Muslim and a spray can writing Islam will dominate the world.
Osama is on his way, and Kill Gordon Brown on a war memorial?

Originally Posted by Gary L

"Islam will dominate the world"
over our dead bodies matey.


The CPS are cowards. it's not racial because Islam is not a race. and it's not religious because Islam isn't a religion it's a set of rules.


it'll be a religion any other time. just not today in court.

thats the radicals plan

(MrAngry already said lol)

[Mr Angry]

"I don't know. if they can manage it with a man and a camera. I'm sure it could work with a Muslim and a spray can writing Islam will dominate the world.
Osama is on his way, and Kill Gordon Brown on a war memorial?"

I can read very well thank you Gary, that is why I am querying your obviously contradictory and nonsensical assertions.

I asked you how it could be prosecuted under anti-terror laws and you stated that you didn't know.

So, your position now is that you "don't know" how it could fall under anti-terror legislation (the CPS certainly didn't think so) yet, at the same time, you are "sure it could work" (whereas the CPS, again, didn't).

What is your opinion on the statement by Mr Abbas that there are "thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy"?

[Ignitionnet]

Nice bit of propaganda material for the extreme right / authoritarian groups.

This is a nice touch:

Instead he appointed Abdullah Ibn Abbas, who described himself as spiritual leader of a group called Road to Jannah, to speak on his behalf.

He said: 'It really doesn't concern us how the British people feel about the graffiti he wrote - the real outrage should be about the thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy.'

Surely if the British are so disdainful the simplest way to soothe that disdain is to bugger off elsewhere not infested by us Muslim murdering Brits? Anyone want to place bets on this spiritual leader receiving welfare of some description?

Also nice:

'He is remorseful, but at the time of his interview he was simply answering questions and didn't realise that was the right time to show remorse.'

Wasn't aware genuine remorse had a 'right time'. Going by the statement above it would seem more accurate to say he couldn't care less.

Well done to the Muslim community at large for condemning this idiotic and inflammatory action. Nil points to the legal system for giving the EDL and other nut jobs such good material to work with.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

I can read very well thank you Gary, that is why I am querying your obviously contradictory and nonsensical assertions.

I asked you how it could be prosecuted under anti-terror laws and you stated that you didn't know.

So, your position now is that you "don't know" how it could fall under anti-terror legislation

Correct.

What is your opinion on the "thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy" as referenced by Abbas?

That's another thread. but it's interesting that you ask in this thread. do you see a connection in the way that he did this in protest to that?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Correct.

OK, so you've realised the futility of your earlier position and withdrawn your earlier assertion that you were "sure it could work". Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally Posted by Gary L

That's another thread. but it's interesting that you ask in this thread. do you see a connection in the way that he did this in protest to that?

Errr.... yes.

The connection is "...he appointed Abdullah Ibn Abbas, who described himself as spiritual leader of a group called Road to Jannah, to speak on his behalf.

He said: 'It really doesn't concern us how the British people feel about the graffiti he wrote - the real outrage should be about the thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy."


Did you perhaps miss that bit?

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

"I don't know. if they can manage it with a man and a camera. I'm sure it could work with a Muslim and a spray can writing Islam will dominate the world.
Osama is on his way, and Kill Gordon Brown on a war memorial?"

I can read very well thank you Gary, that is why I am querying your obviously contradictory and nonsensical assertions.

I asked you how it could be prosecuted under anti-terror laws and you stated that you didn't know.

So, your position now is that you "don't know" how it could fall under anti-terror legislation (the CPS certainly didn't think so) yet, at the same time, you are "sure it could work" (whereas the CPSA, again, didn't).

What is your opinion on the "thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy" as referenced by Abbas?

I think what GaryL is saying is if the cps/police can use the anti- terror laws to justify arresting and prosecuting people taking photo's of government buildings,shopping malls ect then it isn't beyond reason to ask them to use the same laws to arrest and prosecute someone for what is quite clearly an attack on the govenment of this land and i for one feel this should be taken more seriously by the authorities because it is small ,relatively harmless acts like this that are the mark of a real terrorist just starting out in their career

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think what GaryL is saying....

Attempts at interpretaion of Gary L's posts in ones capacity as a third party to same is not advisable. I refer you to the earlier post by Foreverwar.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

OK, so you've realised the futility of your earlier position and withdrawn your earlier assertion that you were "sure it could work". Thanks for clearing that up.

I think you focus too much on something that people say in passing.

Errr.... yes.

The connection is "...he appointed Abdullah Ibn Abbas, who described himself as spiritual leader of a group called Road to Jannah, to speak on his behalf.

He said: 'It really doesn't concern us how the British people feel about the graffiti he wrote - the real outrage should be about the thousands of Muslims who are being killed and butchered as a result of British foreign policy."


Did you perhaps miss that bit?

So you think it's a political protest then? why didn't you say so

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Originally Posted by martyh

I think what GaryL is saying is if the cps/police can use the anti- terror laws to justify arresting and prosecuting people taking photo's of government buildings,shopping malls ect then it isn't beyond reason to ask them to use the same laws to arrest and prosecute someone for what is quite clearly an attack on the govenment of this land and i for one feel this should be taken more seriously by the authorities because it is small ,relatively harmless acts like this that are the mark of a real terrorist just starting out in their career

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I think you focus too much on something that people say in passing.

And I think you are focusing too much on what people spray in passing.

Originally Posted by Gary L

So you think it's a political protest then? why didn't you say so

If I get around to thinking it was a political protest I'll let you know in my own good time thanks.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

If I get around to thinking it was a political protest I'll let you know in my own good time thanks.

Ok. when you've had a think about it. the thread's here.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Attempts at interpretaion of Gary L's posts in ones capacity as a third party to same is not advisable. I refer you to the earlier post by Foreverwar.

well either way that's how i see it ,this bloke needs keeping an eye on and if he feels so strongly about the thousands of muslims dyeing then why doesn't he bugger of and give them a hand instead of defacing a memorial to real soldiers who (ironically)died to give him the right to voice anti British opinions

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

well either way that's how i see it ,this bloke needs keeping an eye on and if he feels so strongly about the thousands of muslims dyeing then why doesn't he bugger of and give them a hand instead of defacing a memorial to real soldiers who (ironically)died to give him the right to voice anti British opinions

Good point. I was going to say earlier that it's a possibility that this person will be heard of again at a later date. more than likely for a more serious charge.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Ok. when you've had a think about it. the thread's here.

Gary, I would again draw your attention to the content of the article wherein it states that Mr Shah "refused to give an explanation for his actions".

As such, and without same, one cannot reasonably arrive at an opinion as to what the basis of his motivation was. Attempts to do so will only evidence a fundamental lack of understanding in relation to facts, reason, logic, consistencty and rationale.

It's the equivalent of trying to predict the future.

Oh, hold on there......

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Originally Posted by martyh

well either way that's how i see it ,this bloke needs keeping an eye on and if he feels so strongly about the thousands of muslims dyeing then why doesn't he bugger of and give them a hand instead of defacing a memorial to real soldiers who (ironically)died to give him the right to voice anti British opinions

Perfect example of flawed logic.

Someone unhappy about and offended by someone expressing anti british sentiments attempts to undermine the argument by suggesting that the individual concerned, rather than limiting their activities to vandalism, should swan off to a conflict and attempt to kill british soldiers in an attempt to validate their argument.

You see what you did there? You obviously haven't really though that one out.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Gary, I would again draw your attention to the content of the article wherein it states that Mr Shah "refused to give an explanation for his actions".

As such, and without same, one cannot reasonably arrive at an opinion as to what the basis of his motivation was. Attempts to do so will only evidence a fundamental lack of understanding in relation to facts, reason, logic, consistencty and rationale.

Rubbish. you can form an opinion on anything and everything. you don't need to hear the explanation beforehand from the person or persons.