the ethics of organ donating

Originally Posted by budwieser

When i die, Anyone who needs my organs apart from my eyes can have them. My liver`s probably shot to balls by now but if someone else can use the rest of the twirly lumpy veiny bits they`re welcome to them if it can help them.

yeah same here ,but would you feel the same if they were going to highest bidder ,and a child died because their parents couldn't afford it ,an emotive argument i know but the whole organ donating business is a bit of a lottery

Originally Posted by martyh

Nuffield Council on Bioethics are discussing ways to incentivise organ donation ,these include anything from t shirts to,help with funeral expenses and que jumping for donors in the future if they need it

Is this for real ?

Donate your kidney and you can queue jump treatment, or get money towards expenses ?

That is just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Is this for real ?

Donate your kidney and you can queue jump treatment, or get money towards expenses ?

That is just plain wrong.

yep very real ,i even went onto there website to check it out and verify skys story


http://www.nuffieldbioethics.org/go/...lease_548.html

[budwieser]

Originally Posted by martyh

yeah same here ,but would you feel the same if they were going to highest bidder ,and a child died because their parents couldn't afford it ,an emotive argument i know but the whole organ donating business is a bit of a lottery

God no........ Only for NHS patients.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Masque

I would not trust the likes of these people as far as I could throw the Isle of Wight, if you were in hospital and a someone with money needed an organ and you were a match, what chance do you think you would have of going home.

A long time ago they tried including a donor card on all paper licenses which you had to cut off and that was the first thing I would do.

This is the way I personally feel about this subject and I have never trusted the way it is handled.

Why? Do you not believe that donating an organ after your death to be a good thing?

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

I carry a donor card, and would support and opt-out, rather than an opt-in system.

I am in total agreement with you on that. In fact, I have gone one stage farther and have regostered with NHS Organ Donor Register.

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Originally Posted by budwieser

When i die, Anyone who needs my organs apart from my eyes can have them. My liver`s probably shot to balls by now but if someone else can use the rest of the twirly lumpy veiny bits they`re welcome to them if it can help them.

Why not your eyes?

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Is this for real ?

Donate your kidney and you can queue jump treatment, or get money towards expenses ?

That is just plain wrong.

Hmm, whilst I agree with you on the queue jumping thing, having money towards funeral expenses is a fitting gesture I think. I don't think people will be necessarily incentivised to donate because of it, but I think it would be a respectful way to thank someone for their gift.

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Originally Posted by martyh

yep very real ,i even went onto there website to check it out and verify skys story


http://www.nuffieldbioethics.org/go/...lease_548.html

But, to be more accurate these are only the thoughts and ideas of a few people, asking some questions, not a policy.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Why? Do you not believe that donating an organ after your death to be a good thing?

As per my previous posts I do not trust them if I had given them permission not to abuse my trust.

I have held this belief for a very long time and it will never change.

[Flyboy]

If your kidneys were to fail and the only way of saving you was a transplant, what questions would ask the potential donor's family, to ensure that they are making the right decision?

[joglynne]

All my family are on the donor register and also carry a donor cards.

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of incentives being offered, anything that links money and donated organs together just feeds the suspicions of people who don't trust the ethics of those people in control of the harvesting and allocation process.

I would like organ donations to be on an opt out basis as I feel that with more donors there would be an increase in the number of organs available and consequently less desperation find a matching organ. Hopefully this would then reduce the suspicions of wrongdoing and manipulation voiced against the medical profession and people in a position to pay or queue jump.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Why? Do you not believe that donating an organ after your death to be a good thing?
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I don't think that's what he is saying ,Masque seems to feel the same as a lot of people do ,in that the system at present is wide open to abuse at worst ,and favouritism at best ,and until the system is cleaned up then people will continue to be put off
On the other hand though it is a good thing that the ethics behind organ donating is being discussed as a few tweaks to the rules could mean 1000's more donors and lets be honest how many people actually think about donating organs or blood whereas being paid in some form for it would put a whole new perspective on it for 1000's of people

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by joglynne

All my family are on the donor register and also carry a donor cards.

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of incentives being offered, anything that links money and donated organs together just feeds the suspicions of people who don't trust the ethics of those people in control of the harvesting and allocation process.

I would like organ donations to be on an opt out basis as I feel that with more donors there would be an increase in the number of organs available and consequently less desperation find a matching organ. Hopefully this would then reduce the suspicions of wrongdoing and manipulation voiced against the medical profession and people in a position to pay or queue jump.

This arrangement would also negate the need for any kind of manipulation being used as scaremongering, by the media and Hollywood. If there is a surplus of organs available, there would no visible need to jump queues or bribe someone for an organ.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I don't think that's what he is saying ,Masque seems to feel the same as a lot of people do ,in that the system at present is wide open to abuse at worst ,and favouritism at best ,and until the system is cleaned up then people will continue to be put off
On the other hand though it is a good thing that the ethics behind organ donating is being discussed as a few tweaks to the rules could mean 1000's more donors and lets be honest how many people actually think about donating organs or blood whereas being paid in some form for it would put a whole new perspective on it for 1000's of people

I think too many people watch too much television.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by martyh

i for one feel that we should have a opt out system instead of a opt in

While I agree that the system should be opt out, if you can argue that offering gifts etc in return for organs is similar to buying organs, you could argue that requiring people to opt out of giving their organs is state sponsored theft of organs.

[gazzae]

If you’re sick and need a transplant then you should only get one though the donor scheme if you are registered as a donor. If you haven’t then tough luck, you better hope a relative or friend have an organ to spare.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

This arrangement would also negate the need for any kind of manipulation being used as scaremongering, by the media and Hollywood. If there is a surplus of organs available, there would no visible need to jump queues or bribe someone for an organ.

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I think too many people watch too much television.

would you care to elaborate or was that justa random nonsensical remark

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Originally Posted by gazzae

If you’re sick and need a transplant then you should only get one though the donor scheme if you are registered as a donor. If you haven’t then tough luck, you better hope a relative or friend have an organ to spare.

hardly fair really, what about children needing heart transplants ect they wont have filled out a donor card

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by martyh

would you care to elaborate or was that justa random nonsensical remark

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hardly fair really, what about children needing heart transplants ect they wont have filled out a donor card

Won't somebody think of the children

Once someone is old enough to decide for themselves (while children can join the donor scheme it still requires parent/guardian permission until they are 18) and they choose not to join the scheme then they should forfeit any right to receive an organ from the scheme. Sure it’s not fair, but since when is burying healthy organs when people are crying out for them fair?

Originally Posted by gazzae

Won't somebody think of the children

Once someone is old enough to decide for themselves (while children can join the donor scheme it still requires parent/guardian permission until they are 18) and they choose not to join the scheme then they should forfeit any right to receive an organ from the scheme. Sure it’s not fair, but since when is burying healthy organs when people are crying out for them fair?

you might possibly be able to justify that if we use a opt out system but with the present system there are to many variables .people think they are registered by carrying a donor card but that is not the case so a system were people have to opt out of donating organs would possibly be justification for your system

and by the way it's not just children i was thinking about what about mentaly handicapped people