Politically Correct person makes man kill himself.

Originally Posted by martyh

then he should have investigated it with a modicum of common sense WHEN a complaint had been made and not before ,it's not any managers place to complain on other peoples behalf

Originally Posted by haydnwalker

Surely if that were the case a full investigation (including talking to the black person involved) should have taken place before the guy was suspended...and it could have prevented the tragedy had such an investigation taken place

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Totally agree - no one should be suspended unless by remaining, they are putting themselves or someone else at risk; on the information we have, this is a total over-reaction.

I wonder why it has taken two months to hit the press, though?

[superbiatch]

Originally Posted by haydnwalker

Surely if that were the case a full investigation (including talking to the black person involved) should have taken place before the guy was suspended...and it could have prevented the tragedy had such an investigation taken place

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In my NHS experience, to suspend someone is not done lightly - in fact its near on impossible (has just taken me over 3 years to terminate someone's employment who has been off sick for 5 years!). I suspect there is more to this story than meets the eye.

[Russ]

I don't know the ins and outs of it - but the thread title and some people's reactions gives the impression there was a busy-body to who took it on themselves to be offended on someone else's behalf, thereby leading to this man's death.

All I'm saying is it could have been a manager who had to follow company policy. Not saying that makes it right but the fault could be with the company's policies rather than that of an individual.

Originally Posted by nomadking

So, being suspended and the prospect of losing his job at 61 for a jokey comment was ok?

No but it is not an injustice just would real a rational person to kill himself unless they were already in a poor state of mind. One person effectily though something was offense and reported that, it's obviously not the correct thing to do, but to hold that person responsible for the death of a person is pathetic.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

I don't know the ins and outs of it - but the thread title and some people's reactions gives the impression there was a busy-body to who took it on themselves to be offended on someone else's behalf,

Here we go again
can I suggest that there's a possibility that none of this is true at all. and there was no immigration people anywhere near the premises that day, and the man killed himself because he may have fallen out with his wife over her cooking?

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Originally Posted by Damien

but to hold that person responsible for the death of a person is pathetic.

Would 'abusive father made daughter kill herself' be pathetic too?

Originally Posted by Gary L

Would 'abusive father made daughter kill herself' be pathetic too?

Being a 'PC Idiot' is not akin to Child Abuse.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Here we go again
can I suggest that there's a possibility that none of this is true at all. and there was no immigration people anywhere near the premises that day, and the man killed himself because he may have fallen out with his wife over her cooking?

By all means

[nomadking]

Not the old 'I was just following orders' defence.

If it had been one non-white person saying to another non-white person that 'they had better hide', would there have been a complaint from anyone about it?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Damien

Being a 'PC Idiot' is not akin to Child Abuse.

No, your point is about someone made someone do something.
a PC idiot and an abuser are both the same when you use it in that context.

Originally Posted by Gary L

No, your point is about someone made someone do something.
a PC idiot and an abuser are both the same when you use it in that context.

No they are not. By such logic that would mean if someone in a shop had a bad day and therefore was rude to me, and I complained, which led to them killing themselves I would be responsible for that persons death.

You have to ask if it was a understandable and logical reaction to the event. You also have to ask if the initial incident, i.e complaint or child abuse, was malicious and wrong. If they are abusing a child that is a very serious crime and one in which they give no thought to the well being of their victim. Making a complaint is not of that scale, it's not a crime, and it's something you might easily do.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Damien

No they are not. By such logic that would mean if someone in a shop had a bad day and therefore was rude to me, and I complained, which led to them killing themselves I would be responsible for that persons death.

You have to ask if it was a understandable and logical reaction to the event. You also have to ask if the initial incident, i.e complaint or child abuse, was malicious and wrong. If they are abusing a child that is a very serious crime and one in which they give no thought to the well being of their victim. Making a complaint is not of that scale, it's not a crime, and it's something you might easily do.

You are using the seriousness of child abuse too much to emphasise your point.

you have 2 victims that killed themselves because of the actions of 2 other persons. the girl who killed herself didn't have any other issues surrounding her. and we leave "abuser made girl kill herself' as it is. we accept this one. it's all proper.

but the other one "PC person makes man kill himself" we jump all over. we can't accept it. we have to say the person that killed themselves must have had other issues already. we don't even approve of mentioning the PC person as for the reason why he killed himself.

humans are hypocritical some times.

Originally Posted by Gary L

You are using the seriousness of child abuse too much to emphasise your point.

you have 2 victims that killed themselves because of the actions of 2 other persons. the girl who killed herself didn't have any other issues surrounding her. and we leave "abuser made girl kill herself' as it is. we accept this one. it's all proper.

but the other one "PC person makes man kill himself" we jump all over. we can't accept it. we have to say the person that killed themselves must have had other issues already. we don't even approve of mentioning the PC person as for the reason why he killed himself.

humans are hypocritical some times.

the two examples aren't even close ,imo one comment leading to a suspension is in no way sufficient reason for a person to kill themselves without other issues playing a part ,
whereas a child being repeatedly abused by a parent is a very good reason and probably happens more than we know

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Damien

No they are not. By such logic that would mean if someone in a shop had a bad day and therefore was rude to me, and I complained, which led to them killing themselves I would be responsible for that persons death.

Eh? How does that compare to the case? Somebody being rude,and then complaining about it is very reasonable! If the person then kills themselves I would agree there are most likely other factors playing a part.

But sneakily grassing someone up behind their back is an entirely different matter!I would find it very disturbing,especially if I had worked at a place for 30 years,and thought I know my colleagues well,if someone did that to me.

A joke amongst friends is no-one else's business! Just the fact that somebody felt compelled to report this shows the state of affairs in PC-Britain.
But hey,I guess the black guy was from a 'deprived and vulnerable' background,and needed the help of New Liebours socialist all-caring,all-knowing,all-meddling-with brigade.

'Here lies one of the many victims of New Labour's murderous PC ideology.'

Originally Posted by Damien

You have to ask if it was a understandable and logical reaction to the event. You also have to ask if the initial incident, i.e complaint or child abuse, was malicious and wrong. If they are abusing a child that is a very serious crime and one in which they give no thought to the well being of their victim. Making a complaint is not of that scale, it's not a crime, and it's something you might easily do.

complaining about others,even though the receiver of the joke had no complaint? i find that vile,spiteful,nasty and utterly outrageous! In fact,now I am offended!

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Will21st

complaining about others,even though the receiver of the joke had no complaint? i find that vile,spiteful,nasty and utterly outrageous! In fact,now I am offended!

someone should complain for you....

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by idi banashapan

someone should complain for you....

well, would you be so kind?