So what would happen to the guy with the bike if this happened in the UK

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Would that be the same as his "hoodie hugging" policy then?

As the criminals were quite clearly none the worse for wear after their encounter, it would seem that reasonable force was used, therefore there would have been no call for any prosecution for the man who through the bicycle. Ergo, I fail to see the point of the original question.

I presume this a counter argument to the Munir Hussain case. There is hardly much of a compassion to be honest, is there? Hussain and his gang beat the living daylights out of someone and this person threw a bicycle, not quite the same.

i said cameron was going to LOOK at the legislation ,possibly admire the font or the paper NOT actually do anything

and yes i agree that case you mentioned was way ott but that promted cameron to speak out ,is there an election due or something ?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

,is there an election due or something ?

Yes and Labour are going bye bye

[Stuart]

Funny how the one person I am certain has some direct experience of the law (Derek S) has stated that this may be considered a reasonable course of action. Others (whose experience of the law may or may not be limited to what they read, see and hear in the media) have said it won't.

My own personal belief (assuming it came to court in this country) is that it would be considered a reasonable response. Certainly any halfway decent barrister would point out that had they not nicked the bag and rode away at high speed, he would not have thrown the bike at them, and I'd be surprised if any jury disagreed with that assessment.

Remember people, our legal system requires that a jury (made up of people like you or I) decides whether people are guilty or innocent. Those jury members are likely to have pretty much the same feelings about a crime that we do, but they often have access to much better info on that crime.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Funny how the one person I am certain has some direct experience of the law (Derek S) has stated that this may be considered a reasonable course of action. Others (whose experience of the law may or may not be limited to what they read, see and hear in the media) have said it won't.

My own personal belief (assuming it came to court in this country) is that it would be considered a reasonable response. Certainly any halfway decent barrister would point out that had they not nicked the bag and rode away at high speed, he would not have thrown the bike at them, and I'd be surprised if any jury disagreed with that assessment.

Remember people, our legal system requires that a jury (made up of people like you or I) decides whether people are guilty or innocent. Those jury members are likely to have pretty much the same feelings about a crime that we do, but they often have access to much better info on that crime.

Although I agree with the general aspect of your post, the incidents are separate issues; the theft and the apprehension. Although they are sequential and sequitor, the results are not exclusive, each event would be measured by reason and not consequence.

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Funny how the one person I am certain has some direct experience of the law (Derek S) has stated that this may be considered a reasonable course of action. Others (whose experience of the law may or may not be limited to what they read, see and hear in the media) have said it won't.

My own personal belief (assuming it came to court in this country) is that it would be considered a reasonable response. Certainly any halfway decent barrister would point out that had they not nicked the bag and rode away at high speed, he would not have thrown the bike at them, and I'd be surprised if any jury disagreed with that assessment.

Remember people, our legal system requires that a jury (made up of people like you or I) decides whether people are guilty or innocent. Those jury members are likely to have pretty much the same feelings about a crime that we do, but they often have access to much better info on that crime.

quite agree with you stuart ,the problem in this country though is people ending up in front of the jury in the first place when a bit of simple common sense applied or a cps that actually worked would prevent such cases ever getting to court in the first place

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I presume this a counter argument to the Munir Hussain case. There is hardly much of a compassion to be honest, is there? Hussain and his gang beat the living daylights out of someone and this person threw a bicycle, not quite the same.

You probably didn't notice this in the video but it was a top of the range Apollo Bruce Lee - including sharpened star accessories(Exclusive to Halfords - currently on sale at £99.99) Hussain aspired to own one of these.

[punky]

Most people are supporting the cyclist here... But here's a thought:

Say when it happened the motorbike went out of control as the rider was knocked off and the it mounted the pavement and killed a civillian.

Then what?

[sollp]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Thanks but I wasn't really criticising I was giving a warning so others wouldn't get too upset.

But now you have pointed it out I viewed them, so if you hadn't said anything I wouldn't have been curious