Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

But going abroad is also a way of getting away from paying debts in general, so if you have an unpaid debt(eg mortgage) even with payments up to date, you will be stopped from leaving the country?

If the debt has been subject to a CCJ then it would be enforceable, just as it would be a fine, I am sure that would be included as well.

But you are still within the EU. Travelling in the EU is guaranteed by the Maastricht Treaty.

Not for criminals.

---------- Post added at 11:44 ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 ----------

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Ministers are examining whether to use powers to track the travel plans of everyone leaving the country under a system known as e-Borders to deal with the problem of unpaid fines.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-fines.html


is this taking things just a little to far ?

But it's not really is it? Quite a sensational piece of headlining though. Motorists are not going to be banned from leaving Britain though are they. Criminals are.

Are we to believe by tour topic title that if the criminal tries to leave by air, they will not be stopped, or only if they take their car on the aeroplane? What if they don't own a car? Are they going to get past the border?

[haydnwalker]

For me - its not the whole "you have got unpaid fines, you can't leave britain" thing. Its where it will lead next. If things get any worse, then I will seriously consider leaving the country for good.

What ever happened to freedom? Notice it isn't a word thats thrown around much anymore! The government does not have the right to control a person's movements in my opinion or to track them if they aren't deemed a threat to National Security. Its a breach of privacy. Though I am aware it happens daily with the use of CCTV etc.

I know the USA is an awkward country to live in at times, but they have much more freedom than the UK does!

I would have thought a fine was not a good enough reason to emigrate anyway? escaping a ling jail term I can understand doing a flit but fines?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by haydnwalker

For me - its not the whole "you have got unpaid fines, you can't leave britain" thing. Its where it will lead next. If things get any worse, then I will seriously consider leaving the country for good.

What ever happened to freedom? Notice it isn't a word thats thrown around much anymore! The government does not have the right to control a person's movements in my opinion or to track them if they aren't deemed a threat to National Security. Its a breach of privacy. Though I am aware it happens daily with the use of CCTV etc.

We are talking about people who have committed criminal offences without paying their due, not innocent motorists as the headline would suggest (I really do believe some people don't bother reading beyond the one inch letters). Do you think they should be allowed to leave the country and ignore their responsibilities?

I know the USA is an awkward country to live in at times, but they have much more freedom than the UK does!

Such as the almost certain removal of the right to file a writ for habeas corpus and the right no to be detained indefinitely without trial (and many more) you mean?

[papa smurf]

[QUOTE=Flyboy;34755005]We are talking about people who have committed criminal offences without paying their due, not innocent motorists as the headline would suggest (I really do believe some people don't bother reading beyond the one inch letters). Do you think they should be allowed to leave the country and ignore their responsibilities?

The headline
"Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain over unpaid parking fines "

the link again http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-fines.html

the headline does not mention innocent motorists,what were you saying about reading beyond the one inch letters ?

and do you really have to be on the attack all the time its getting tedious .

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Do you think they should be allowed to leave the country and ignore their responsibilities?

Do you think detaining someone, potentially disrupting expensive business or family holiday plans, is a proportionate response to an unpaid parking ticket?

Not to mention how much its going to cost the taxpayer to pay for detaining them.

[Kymmy]

I don;t think a single unpaid ticket would trigger the system, I think they're looking more at the persistent offenders who have court orders for unpaid fines/tickets..etc... Mainly as a ticket is issued by a council so not really a detainable offence where a court fine/order is...

[danielf]

I think a lot of people would pay up if given the choice bewteen pay and travel and don't pay and don't travel...

Originally Posted by danielf

I think a lot of people would pay up if given the choice bewteen pay and travel and don't pay and don't travel...

Man, I still have to double-take when I see that Avatar

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Man, I still have to double-take when I see that Avatar

Yeah. I'll be changing it back shortly (I find it scary myself ). I'll need to redo my last one as I binned it, but I haven't gotten round to it yet.

[piggy]

[QUOTE=papa smurf;34755017]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

We are talking about people who have committed criminal offences without paying their due, not innocent motorists as the headline would suggest (I really do believe some people don't bother reading beyond the one inch letters). Do you think they should be allowed to leave the country and ignore their responsibilities?

The headline
"Motorists could be banned from leaving Britain over unpaid parking fines "

the link again http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ing-fines.html

the headline does not mention innocent motorists,what were you saying about reading beyond the one inch letters ?

and do you really have to be on the attack all the time its getting tedious .

i do agree, very tedious indeed.