teacher shut autistic girl a tiny room - Page 2

Osem · 10-03-2009, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Chris

That isn't how the child would have seen it. You're in a room alone, the door won't open, you're alone. Not nice.

Unpleasant and distressing for a normal child - how much moreso for an autistic one?

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Originally Posted by nomadking

She was allowed to calm down without disrupting the rest of the class and how long should someone wait for that to happen, an hour, all day, all week?

You clearly have no concept of special needs education! If the school didn't have a strategy for dealing with such eventualites then clearly it was also negligent. There are policies and procedures for dealing with children like these - shutting them in rooms all on their own isn't one of them!

Russ · 10-03-2009, 12:34

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Originally Posted by nomadking

She was allowed to calm down without disrupting the rest of the class and how long should someone wait for that to happen, an hour, all day, all week?

That's fair enough I suppose. If a child with recognised learning difficulties is causing a problem for the class, put him/her in a room on their own. Doesn't matter if the child gets scared out of their mind, as long as the rest of the class isn't disrupted.

nomadking · 10-03-2009, 12:34

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Originally Posted by harmitage

I'm sure professionally trained staff would have known what to do. This individual clearly didn't.

Perhaps the lesson to be learnt here is for teaching assistants to be properly trained if they're expected to handle children with special requirements and considerations. I'd have thought it would have been common sense that isolating a small child in a room was a definite NO NO.

I've yet to see from anyone(experienced or not), what should have been done.

10-03-2009, 12:35

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Originally Posted by nomadking

She was allowed to calm down without disrupting the rest of the class and how long should someone wait for that to happen, an hour, all day, all week?

nice level of compassion there you show ... not

Russ · 10-03-2009, 12:35

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Originally Posted by nomadking

I've yet to see from anyone(experienced or not), what should have been done.

Have someone trained in specialised care for autistic children to hand, perhaps?

10-03-2009, 12:35

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Originally Posted by nomadking

I've yet to see from anyone(experienced or not), what should have been done.

come on then inform us

Osem · 10-03-2009, 12:35

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Originally Posted by nomadking

I've yet to see from anyone(experienced or not), what should have been done.

I just told you what should have been done!

Perhaps you're the sort of person who likes to think that autism is just another of those labels used as an excuse for bad behaviour that needs to be punished...

nomadking · 10-03-2009, 12:36

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Originally Posted by Russ B

That's fair enough I suppose. If a child with recognised learning difficulties is causing a problem for the class, put him/her in a room on their own. Doesn't matter if the child gets scared out of their mind, as long as the rest of the class isn't disrupted.

She wasn't put in the room for behaving in a calm manner.

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Melanie-Rose thought she would get into trouble because she had not done her homework and began crying and waving her arms.

LondonRoad · 10-03-2009, 12:40

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Have someone trained in specialised care for autistic children to hand, perhaps?

That's kind of what I was alluding to..

Sometimes I just assume people know what I mean.

Russ · 10-03-2009, 12:40

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Originally Posted by nomadking

She wasn't put in the room for behaving in a calm manner.

Ok I'm sorry if I'm being a bit slow today but you're going to have to spell your point out for me.

Everyone else here can see the inappropriateness of what the assistant did, the tribunal agrees too, so I think you need to back up your stance on this.

Osem · 10-03-2009, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Have someone trained in specialised care for autistic children to hand, perhaps?

Nice idea but not a reality in many cases. Still surely it doesn't require much common sense to appreciate how a child such as this might react and how to cope with it.

LondonRoad · 10-03-2009, 12:42

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Originally Posted by nomadking

She wasn't put in the room for behaving in a calm manner.

I think we should refrain from using irony or sarcasm in this thread,

because message through getting is not the.

nomadking · 10-03-2009, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Osem

I just told you what should have been done!

Perhaps you're the sort of person who likes to think that autism is just another of those labels used as an excuse for bad behaviour that needs to be punished...

No, you didn't. You added 3 mins later(at the same time as I was writing mine, so how could I have read it

) to your post that there must be a policy but didn't say what that policy was or should be.

So you're saying that everybody's education should be allowed to be totally screwed up because someone else has a reason/excuse?

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Ok I'm sorry if I'm being a bit slow today but you're going to have to spell your point out for me.

Everyone else here can see the inappropriateness of what the assistant did, the tribunal agrees too, so I think you need to back up your stance on this.

It is claimed that she was upset as a result of being in a room with a view of the corridor, whereas she was put in the room because she was upset.

Being disruptive came before being put in the room.

Osem · 10-03-2009, 12:52

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Originally Posted by nomadking

No, you didn't. You added 3 mins later(at the same time as I was writing mine, so how could I have read it

) to your post that there must be a policy but didn't say what that policy was or should be.

So you're saying that everybody's education should be allowed to be totally screwed up because someone else has a reason/excuse?

That's because the policy should be appropriate for the CHILD! In all my years I have never heard of anyone shutting a distressed autistic child in a room on their own.

Autism is a condition with a very broad range of expression - the staff member clearly had no idea how to cope with the child she was responsible for.

NO! I'm saying that the school should have had 'APPROPRIATE' measures in place to cope with what happened without disrupting the entire school. Those measures should not have included shutting her in a room!

**Chris** · 10-03-2009, 12:53

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Originally Posted by nomadking

So you're saying that everybody's education should be allowed to be totally screwed up because someone else has a reason/excuse?

He really, obviously was not saying that. If you're genuinely interested in this issue, rather than just trying to start a fight, how about trying to engage with and understand other people's posts rather than wilfully parodying and distorting them?

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It is claimed that she was upset as a result of being in a room with a view of the corridor, whereas she was put in the room because she was upset.

Being disruptive came before being put in the room.

Really, stop twisting everything. Being upset or not upset is not a binary state. Clearly, the classroom assistant's attempt to give her 'time out' made her existing agitation worse.

Do you have even the mildest clue of what being autistic means? Are you arguing over this because you have some level of expertise or are you just looking for an argument?