Defending myself against bogus copyright infringement claims

[AppleSauce]

This is absolutely obscene, i think the approach that the Pirate Bay is taking is way out of order.

Getting other people into trouble just to protect people who are stupid enough to download from such a horrible tracker in the first place.

[Mattatwork]

Just a suggestion, but have you thought about approaching a paper?
I'm sure the Sun would love the little guy against the big evil and wrong corporation story, may even give you a few quid for your trouble.
At least it should get these guys off your back quite quickly.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by AppleSauce

This is absolutely obscene, i think the approach that the Pirate Bay is taking is way out of order.

Getting other people into trouble just to protect people who are stupid enough to download from such a horrible tracker in the first place.

pirate bay are ultimately looking after there customers, i dont understand your comments do you object to downloading or just downloading from the bay?

[Impz2002]

Originally Posted by AppleSauce

This is absolutely obscene, i think the approach that the Pirate Bay is taking is way out of order.

Getting other people into trouble just to protect people who are stupid enough to download from such a horrible tracker in the first place.

They cannot accuse someone unless they connect to a peer and actually manage to download some data. so if a random ip is given and they try to connect and they are not sharing that file they cannot accuse them of any wrongdoing as they will not be sharing any data so its a good way of doing things !

Impz

[Jonathan90]

I can asure you it ain't piratebay's fault they are protecting the so called legit peers lol they block bad peers from collecting ip's they can only do so much on blocking theses "bad" peers nothing to do with piratebay so you must have got caught lol

[cook1984]

Originally Posted by Mattatwork

Just a suggestion, but have you thought about approaching a paper?
I'm sure the Sun would love the little guy against the big evil and wrong corporation story, may even give you a few quid for your trouble.
At least it should get these guys off your back quite quickly.

That's an interesting idea, although it might have to be a slightly more intelligent paper rather than the Beano-for-grown-ups that is The Sun...

[piggy]

Originally Posted by cook1984

That's an interesting idea, although it might have to be a slightly more intelligent paper rather than the Beano-for-grown-ups that is The Sun...

a newspaper snob and a illegal downloader (alledgedly) the plot thickens

[Raistlin]

Keep it nice people

[Fingers]

Sorry but you can't qualify passing the Sun in front of your eyes as reading...

(waits for the flames...)

Most people just look at the pictures (well, on one of the pages, anyway..... )

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Most people just look at the pictures (well, on one of the pages, anyway..... )

Originally Posted by piggy

a newspaper snob and a illegal downloader (alledgedly) the plot thickens

Can they count to three or is that why there straight in front of you when you open that paper.

[LondonRoad]

Sun exclusive

Forum Moderators fail to spot off topic thread shocker

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Suggestions that Cable forum mods have been infiltrated by left wing ,asylum seeking homosexual, terrorists were proved to be true this evening.... allegedly

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by harmitage

Sun exclusive

Forum Moderators fail to spot off topic thread shocker

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Suggestions that Cable forum mods have been infiltrated by left wing ,asylum seeking homosexual, terrorists were proved to be true this evening.... allegedly

I think your on your way to forum hell

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by cook1984

I got my second letter regarding copyright infringement today, and as before I am innocent. I wrote back to tell them that, but frankly I have had enough. I am looking for ways to protect myself.

This interesting article was posted today:

http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-b...-peers-081020/

It looks like The Pirate Bay is randomly framing IP addresses for copyright infringement, to make it impossible to tell real downloaders from fake ones. That's all well and good if you are a pirate, but means innocent people like me get hit with copyright infringement claims

I have looked into using PeerGuardian, but when you look at the list of IP addresses it blocks, it's 52% of the internet. That seems like massive overkill, and surely disreputable companies like Media Defender and BayTSP are using IP addresses that are not blocked anyway.

How can I stop this happening? Is there any way I can claim money back for the time I have to waste responding to these bogus claims? What if it goes to court, can I get free legal representation? Can I stop VM giving away my details?

ignoring them is an option but I would simply reply with a recorded letter saying show me the proof, and be firm that you will not accept an ip listed on a tracker as a proof and you confident thats not admissable court evidence.

The whole thing with using ips on trackers to claim FULL compensation is very dodgy since they claiming you have distributed a FULL copy of whats protected based on your ip been listed, the only real distributer is the initial seeder which is more often than not a employee of the company in question when its software.

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Originally Posted by Toto

NO, that is not good advice. These people don't muck around, they have secured one default judgement of £16,000 because somebody failed to turn up in court, or potentially ignored the letters from Davenport Lyons.

In response to your post about TBP, I have commented here.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34658667-post176.html

You'll need legal representation if you believe you are innocent. I'll find the company prepared to do it and post back here.

EDIT: This is the post you need to look at, which you should already be familiar with as you have posted a number of times in that thread, visit the link included in the post.

2nd EDIT: This thread may need merging with the thread linked to from my first edit, as it seems to be the same subject matter.

3rd EDIT: Don't use the term peerguardian here, or in court, as some may get the impression that your claims of innocence are not as white as you make them.

In regards to davenport as far as I am aware their case is so weak that 'anyone' who replies has had their case dropped. They basically relying on winning by default.

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Originally Posted by AppleSauce

This is absolutely obscene, i think the approach that the Pirate Bay is taking is way out of order.

Getting other people into trouble just to protect people who are stupid enough to download from such a horrible tracker in the first place.

This is actually good assuming noone actually gets convicted wrongfully, imagine the consequences of solicitors consistently going after the wrong people and losing in court? eventually it would be decided using ips from trackers is no longer reliable and enough and it will mean they have to actually do proper work to go after people.

I could connect to a tracker for a game, deliberatly let it download one peice of the game and start sending it out so my ip is listed but then abort and delete it all, in that scenario I have not downloaded a copy of the game, not distributed a copy of the game, and not used a copy of the game but they may well go after me and would lose. It is also extremly easy to spoof ips in torrents, one very popular client has it as a built in feature.

[Turkey Machine]

Anybody read about the elderly couple threatened by Atari when it was claimed the couple had downloaded Race 07? They didn't want to listen, claimed they had an IP address that proved they'd been downloading Race 07, and only rescinded the claim when a magazine intervened. It's crazy what companies can get away with.

Link to BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7697898.stm