VM position 50 meg as "premium"

[chuzzlemonkey]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Not all of us, I downgraded to the 2 meg service. Saved quite a bit so far. Unless STM is removed then I won't upgrade at all, period.

Looks like you won't ever be upgrading then! lol

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by Haggis23

Looks like you won't ever be upgrading then! lol

Yep, I agree. So all I get to do is save £35/month

A Little "back of the fag packet" maths. If VM have 3.8m customers and say just 25% are on the 2meg service, that's lost income of just over £33 MILLION a month....


...so that STM really is cost effective isn't it?

Originally Posted by hokkers999

Yep, I agree. So all I get to do is save £35/month

A Little "back of the fag packet" maths. If VM have 3.8m customers and say just 25% are on the 2meg service, that's lost income of just over £33 MILLION a month....


...so that STM really is cost effective isn't it?

The vast majority of customers are on the lower tiers and a lot of the income actually comes from the TV side of the business, which most people forget about, they pay a damn site more for TV than they would ever do for Broadband.

[Ignitionnet]

Free TV with a phone line must be raking the cash in for sure. The whole focus on broadband is because, unlike TV, it is profitable. TV keeps punters so you can sell the stuff that actually makes the dollars to them, broadband and telephony.

With most people on bundles the difference between what they spend on broadband and what they spend on TV is probably minimal, especially with TV M costing next to nothing while BB M is still £18GBP / month.

[Zhadnost]

Originally Posted by chickendippers

I can't see VM making changes to the core network until other providers are realistically able to offer a comparable service. I have noticed slow speeds to my servers in the USA which I know are capable of providing 30Mb speeds.

Be may offer a similar speed, but don't forget that they only offer it to people living 5Km from an unbundled exchange.

As a happy Be customer (as well as a VM customer, Bulldog/Pipex Customer, Demon Customer etc.) I can tell you that my Bebox syncs at.

1,217 / 6,684 (down/up).

It doesn't matter how many people tell you that you are guaranteed to get the full upstream rate (Be not being one of them, I never have, but still more than happy with 1,217, If I connect with my Dlink ADSL2+ modem I get just over 900)


At the site where I get the 6.5Mbit down and 1-and-a-bit up I have had other much less stable connections that have all been much slower.

Here, (on VM) even if I did have a BT landline, Be isn't available and I get full speed on the 20MBit service anyway.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

...so that STM really is cost effective isn't it?

Can I just remind you that STM is not about saving money or about costs, but about preserving the customer experience.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Can I just remind you that STM is not about saving money or about costs, but about preserving the customer experience.

Do i detect sarcasm?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Can I just remind you that STM is not about saving money or about costs, but about preserving the customer experience.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

The vast majority of customers are on the lower tiers and a lot of the income actually comes from the TV side of the business, which most people forget about, they pay a damn site more for TV than they would ever do for Broadband.

the vast majority of "profit" comes from broadband the tv side by the time sky have had there cut is a very low margin

[deed02392]

Is it still the case that VM are doing nothing to upgrade their networks? I know friends that have had their local 'green boxes' upgraded. I think the belief is that lots of 20Mb customers will upgrade to the 50Mb package thus relieving DOCSIS2.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by deed02392

Is it still the case that VM are doing nothing to upgrade their networks? I know friends that have had their local 'green boxes' upgraded. I think the belief is that lots of 20Mb customers will upgrade to the 50Mb package thus relieving DOCSIS2.

The beliefs are wrong on several levels. VM have introduced another 40% network capacity this year so far I believe. In addition the 20Mbit will be moved to the same hardware as the DOCSIS 3 product, albeit not in DOCSIS 3 mode. Also there is no relieving of DOCSIS 2 as the VM network doesn't run DOCSIS 2. It runs 1.0 as far as I'm aware.

[deed02392]

Could you perhaps explain or link me to something that will help me ascertain what exactly you mean by the VM network. I thought this was a global thing, whereby the entire infrastructure of the network owned by VM would be operational on DOCSIS3. Or is it portioned up into segments so that customers are running on the DOCSIS3 network until the UBR, when it's a different signal modulation to be more efficient?

[eth01]

Thats my point -- which i quite CLEARLY stated in my other post.

STM is staying. Get used to it. "50meg" will of course have different rules, and please don't argue that with me.. it will, PERIOD.

[Zhadnost]

I'm definately not getting it if it has a Period.

Originally Posted by Zhadnost

I'm definately not getting it if it has a Period.

Imagine the PMS