ID cards rethink to be unveiled - Page 2

06-03-2008, 13:43

Stupid thing is i used to support the ID card idea but after the last few months how can any sane person be happy with the thought of it. Only this government with it's complete arrogance and disregard for the british public could even think about carrying on with the scheme. Yeah so glad GB took over cause since then i really has changed and i think we do stand a real chance of getting rid of these moron's posthaste.

Xaccers · 06-03-2008, 14:23

ID cards could be introduced to be useful in day to day life, secure and therefore help tackle certain crimes etc.
Unfortunately, the first step towards this needs to be showing that you're a responsible and trustworthy government with a track record of ensuring what is planned is actually delivered, and of course Labour have fallen at this first hurdle.

jkat · 06-03-2008, 15:05

what happens when we are made to carry id cards at all times, this is what worries me??

06-03-2008, 15:14

In principle i have no major problem with the idea of an ID card and having to carry it all the time wouldn't bother me either. But until we have a government that has shown a lot more competency then this one at holding onto data securely then i am not prepared to support an ID card. Labour only has itself to blame for this and it can't even harp back to the previous administration that still gets trotted out now and then.

Xaccers · 06-03-2008, 15:18

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Originally Posted by jkat

what happens when we are made to carry id cards at all times, this is what worries me??

The way to do it is to make them voluntary, but make them so useful everyone would want one.

Imagine a single card, used for driving license, passport, debit/credit card (you pop it in the machine, it asks you which account you want to use, then for 4 digits from a 6 or 8 digit pin number), store loyalty card etc.

BBKing · 06-03-2008, 15:33

OK, Xac, I'm imagining that. Now I'm imagining someone nicking it...

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having to carry it all the time wouldn't bother me either

Would it bother you that the police now have to spend their time investigating law abiding citizens to make sure they have their papers in order, instead of, say, preventing and investigating crime?

Anyway, I ain't carrying no ID card. What Jacqui Smith has said today pretty much rules out the idea of much of the population having one until life is made sufficiently intolerable. Happy at the idea of our tax money paying for Home Office bureaucrats to make our life intolerable until we pay them for a piece of plastic? I'm bloody not.

Xaccers · 06-03-2008, 16:06

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Originally Posted by BBKing

OK, Xac, I'm imagining that. Now I'm imagining someone nicking it...

Ok, so they have a card with your name on it, and your photo, just like a photo driving license.

If you're thinking access to your credit cards etc, even if they watched over your shoulder, they'd have to do so for several transactions to get your full pin number.
Add biometrics to the mix, such as what they have at Ben Gurin airport, and not only would they need your card and your pin, but also your hand.
Change the pin for a word and only ask for a few leters, and you're even less likely to have it broken.

Compare that with what people have today.
A wallet, with all those cards, which can easily be copied and used as there are no secure back end checks.

Are you saying you'd prefer what amounts to a single low security device (wallet full of low security cards) to protect your finances than one high security device?

Remember, I'm not talking about the proposed ID scheme, after all that thing will have more holes in it than swiss cheese, but a properly planned and executed ID card scheme.

Hom3r · 06-03-2008, 16:10

I'll be getting one then!

I will come under airport worker

Osem · 06-03-2008, 16:11

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Originally Posted by BBKing

Would it bother you that the police now have to spend their time investigating law abiding citizens to make sure they have their papers in order, instead of, say, preventing ... crime?

I digress but do they do much of that anymore? I thought modern policing was more about meeting targets for 'solving' crimes committed than actually deterring people from offending in the first place...

THESHAOLIN1 · 06-03-2008, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

ID cards could be introduced to be useful in day to day life, secure and therefore help tackle certain crimes etc.
Unfortunately, the first step towards this needs to be showing that you're a responsible and trustworthy government with a track record of ensuring what is planned is actually delivered, and of course Labour have fallen at this first hurdle.

well you certainly swallowed the propaganda beautifully.

Let me explain something. Not only are they putting fingerprinting machines in schools and CCTV in the Toilets to prepare kids for the global police state were moving into So that when they grow older they will just see them things as the norm as they get introduced into society.

They are also using these i.d cards as a stepping stone to introduce control over all the products you buy n purchase. Crime is the most dumbest thing people talk about when it comes to i.d cards.

Even einstien said, peace does not come about through force, thats a dictatorship it comes through peace.

Any crime commited is only because of the mind state of the person and how ever u want to act like its there fault most people i know who have commited crimes grew out of it when they realised there was more to life, but the lack of what was happening was being put into reality with no understanding of how to make real money other than slave labour and us youngers are wise to that. We arent willing to waste our lives away in a dead end coorporation job for a **** bag company to make millions off us while paying us 6 pound an hour. Never gonna get anywhere and thats realistic hence i do business.

The point is These i.d cards are the beginning of the global control next stage is the microchips. They will give you an excuse to introduce everything.

and you'll just accept it because they use the words "security, criminals" in the same sentance. Stop accepting the propaganda and review history repeating itself.

Xaccers · 06-03-2008, 16:16

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Originally Posted by THESHAOLIN1

well you certainly swallowed the propaganda beautifully.

Let me explain something. Not only are they putting fingerprinting machines in schools and CCTV in the Toilets to prepare kids for the global police state were moving into So that when they grow older they will just see them things as the norm as they get introduced into society.

They are also using these i.d cards as a stepping stone to introduce control over all the products you buy n purchase. Crime is the most dumbest thing people talk about when it comes to i.d cards.

Even einstien said, peace does not come about through force, thats a dictatorship it comes through peace.

Any crime commited is only because of the mind state of the person and how ever u want to act like its there fault most people i know who have commited crimes grew out of it when they realised there was more to life, but the lack of what was happening was being put into reality with no understanding of how to make real money other than slave labour and us youngers are wise to that. We arent willing to waste our lives away in a dead end coorporation job for a **** bag company to make millions off us while paying us 6 pound an hour. Never gonna get anywhere and thats realistic hence i do business.

The point is These i.d cards are the beginning of the global control next stage is the microchips. They will give you an excuse to introduce everything.

and you'll just accept it because they use the words "security, criminals" in the same sentance. Stop accepting the propaganda and review history repeating itself.

You didn't actually read my post did you?

THESHAOLIN1 · 06-03-2008, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Osem

I digress but do they do much of that anymore? I thought modern policing was more about meeting targets for 'solving' crimes committed than actually deterring people from offending in the first place...

only way u lower crime rates, is make people see the light, Stop the corruption, Stop forcing kids into one direction which is just 9-5 work for coorporations waste your life away n do nothing.

We wanna live our lives these guys just want us as cattle its clear.

People turn to crime some because of there friends, some because of there environment.

But what ever way u wanna see it, its because of there SITUATION they have been placed in that made them turn to crime and who can you blame for the condition of the environment only those who mould the minds.

Schools done educate on reality n know kid wants a teacher like a mini hitler screaming at him hes just gonna despise it even more.

The problem is most you older guys your answer to everything is get the government to lock people up which is what makes you clueless about how the world works.

You wanna lock people up you start locking up the people who control this world the bloodlines rockefellers, n these begging politicians who sold there soul years ago.

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Originally Posted by BBKing

OK, Xac, I'm imagining that. Now I'm imagining someone nicking it...

Would it bother you that the police now have to spend their time investigating law abiding citizens to make sure they have their papers in order, instead of, say, preventing and investigating crime?

Anyway, I ain't carrying no ID card. What Jacqui Smith has said today pretty much rules out the idea of much of the population having one until life is made sufficiently intolerable. Happy at the idea of our tax money paying for Home Office bureaucrats to make our life intolerable until we pay them for a piece of plastic? I'm bloody not.

Thats it, paying tax so we can loose more freedoms, be more controlled and basically move closer towards george orwells mimicry of a 1984 type society.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

You didn't actually read my post did you?

i quoted the wrong person ignore that.

**Damien** · 06-03-2008, 16:23

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Schools done educate on reality n know kid wants a teacher like a mini hitler screaming at him hes just gonna despise it even more.

Obviously it's not the only thing they don't educate on...

Shaun · 06-03-2008, 16:29

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Originally Posted by BBKing

Is that an attempt to make the party look bigger, two IDs per MP?

I thought Ian and Duncan were in the Tory party?

Xaccers · 06-03-2008, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Damien

Obviously it's not the only thing they don't educate on...

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist