Cable Broadband Monopoly

Originally Posted by cih

I would agree with those who say that Virgin (as it is now called) don't have a Monopoly in the wider sense but for those that require a fast upload / download greater than BT is willing to provide do face no other alternative.

£35 for 10mb is far too much.

Does anyone have any prices for other countries?

I appreciate your opinions.

There are the LLU providers that do upto 24meg.

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Originally Posted by cih

Thank you for that. Very interesting.

So when can i have access to your car, Tv,Cooker,house and anything else you privately funded ?.

[Locky]

Originally Posted by scrotnig

The cable companies funded and built their networks themselves. Why on God's green earth should they be forced to open this network up to competitors?

The BT network on the other hand was largely built using taxpayers' money and then handed to private investors on a plate. One of the caveats to that back in the eighties was that eventually it would have to be opened up to competition.

Put it another way....if you saved up for years to buy a car, would you think it fair if the government ruled that three days a week you had to let your neighbour use it for free?

SPOT ON

[dev]

if ntl were made to open their network, then sky* would have to as well which as others have said were both privately funded and so shouldn't be

* by sky, channels are not included, i'm talking about the ability to use sky's satellites so send data

Originally Posted by dev

if ntl were made to open their network, then sky* would have to as well which as others have said were both privately funded and so shouldn't be

* by sky, channels are not included, i'm talking about the ability to use sky's satellites so send data

And their broadband network (previously known as EasyNet).

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by dev

if ntl were made to open their network, then sky* would have to as well which as others have said were both privately funded and so shouldn't be

* by sky, channels are not included, i'm talking about the ability to use sky's satellites so send data

You can - Sky don;t work the satellite they just rent space on it. If you want to start a channel then ring Astra and talk to them. I can even add your channel to my Sky box if you like.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

And their broadband network (previously known as EasyNet).

What the one that runs over BT cables - Ntl over Sky over BT!

Between the three have we any chance of a connection provided like that ever working?

[swissle]

There is nothing to stop BT replacing their network with fibre optic cables, apart from the obvious cost implications. In South Wales the BT network is being totally overhauled in order to enable delivery of the speeds this letter talks about. It requires massive investment, planning and mounds of red tape.

The letter is very one sided, you don't have fibre optic to house, so this presents a big issue to the claims they make.

"...Providers with the exemption of Blueyonder can only offer speeds of 'upto' 2MB etc,..."

"...As Blueyonder operates on a superior Fibre Optic network we have the ability to be able to guarantee our customers their connection speeds and due to the nature of Fibre Optic technology we are virtually unaffected by net traffic within our own network..."

Eh!...I assume from the above comments that Telewest customers always get full speed 24/7. If Telewest can do it, then why cant ntl give their customers a "guaranteed" connection speed instead of "up to"?

...or, as I suspect, is the above reply a tad inaccurate.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by swissle

There is nothing to stop BT replacing their network with fibre optic cables, apart from the obvious cost implications. In South Wales the BT network is being totally overhauled in order to enable delivery of the speeds this letter talks about. It requires massive investment, planning and mounds of red tape.

The letter is very one sided, you don't have fibre optic to house, so this presents a big issue to the claims they make.

You are one of those fooled by the PR surrounding BTs 21CN, its all core network stuff and the local loop will remain the same with the same limitations, sure adsl2+ will be rolled out but the max speeds on that are 24 mbit (realistically 16mbit, BE got done by the ASA yesterday) and most with longer lines will get the same performance they get now pre 21CN.

A few associated with BT have said local loop investment will follow but this is just speculation at this time and even if true its still years away for many people with some areas not getting 21CN until 2011.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by swissle

There is nothing to stop BT replacing their network with fibre optic cables, apart from the obvious cost implications. In South Wales the BT network is being totally overhauled in order to enable delivery of the speeds this letter talks about. It requires massive investment, planning and mounds of red tape.

The letter is very one sided, you don't have fibre optic to house, so this presents a big issue to the claims they make.

One thing to note. According to BT themselves, 21CN is only replacing the networks that link the exchanges. They will *not* be replacing the lines to the users. So, 21CN will have the same pros and cons that ADSL has.

In essence, the user may see little or no benefit from 21CN. Admittedly, we may see an increase of premium services, such as BT's movies service.

However, the complexity (and therefore costs) involved in BT's own systems will be massively reduced. Whether they pass those savings on to the customer or not is another matter.

[cih]

Originally Posted by XFS03

"...Providers with the exemption of Blueyonder can only offer speeds of 'upto' 2MB etc,..."

"...As Blueyonder operates on a superior Fibre Optic network we have the ability to be able to guarantee our customers their connection speeds and due to the nature of Fibre Optic technology we are virtually unaffected by net traffic within our own network..."

Eh!...I assume from the above comments that Telewest customers always get full speed 24/7. If Telewest can do it, then why cant ntl give their customers a "guaranteed" connection speed instead of "up to"?

...or, as I suspect, is the above reply a tad inaccurate.

Telewest speeds are as they say on the TIN. No complaints there.

Originally Posted by cih

Telewest speeds are as they say on the TIN. No complaints there.

That is not how i see it ? and how other's without rose tinted glasses see it.

[cih]

Originally Posted by cih

Telewest speeds are as they say on the TIN. No complaints there.

A bit low today

Date Downstream Upstream Connection
01/02/07 18:35 3250.55 Kbps 357.08 Kbps My Home Blueyonder 4m
29/01/07 01:25 3839.45 Kbps 361.24 Kbps My Home Blueyonder 4m
19/01/07 23:40 3818.61 Kbps 360.24 Kbps My Home Blueyonder 4m
15/01/07 20:44 3807.48 Kbps 361.29 Kbps My Home Blueyonder 4m
31/12/06 21:49 3837.31 Kbps 361.10 Kbps My Home Blueyonder 4m
31/12/06 18:56 3837.55 Kbps 361.05 Kbps My Home Blueyonder 4m