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Old 17-11-2006, 14:10   #16
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Re: Rename the British Isles, the paedoph-isles?

Can I just say that kids in certain areas know that if they label someone who's stood up to them a "peedo" then the adults in that area will not only turn a blind eye to any attacks on that person's property, but will actually egg them on or even join in. They don't care if there's not an ounce of truth to the allegations, it's an excuse to vent their aggression.
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Old 17-11-2006, 15:31   #17
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Re: Rename the British Isles, the paedoph-isles?

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Can I just say that kids in certain areas know that if they label someone who's stood up to them a "peedo" then the adults in that area will not only turn a blind eye to any attacks on that person's property, but will actually egg them on or even join in. They don't care if there's not an ounce of truth to the allegations, it's an excuse to vent their aggression.

Yes, sure enough. Its one of those names that sticks like s**t to a blanket. Even if someone suggested it in casual gossip, it would spread like wildfire, true or untrue. Its one of those ugly kind of words, the kind of work like gay, paki and plenty others that is spat out in school playgrounds and sink estate shopping arcades the length and breadth of the country.

One thing that ****es me off is that whenever any reference is made to sex crimes, the masculine gender is always used.

Even in law within the sexual offences act "he" is used rather than he, she or it.

Of course this is probably for convenience and i have not checked but somewhere at the beginning of the book there is probably some disclaimer along the lines of..."the masculine shall also denote the feminine",,blah blah blah.

Let us not forget that there are also female sex offenders

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/6126340.stm

Although all is not what it seems as in this case, the woman in question was acquitted as it was accepted that the youth had forced her to commit the acts whilst holding a screwdriver to her head. Presumably he will now be charged with something-we await the outcome.

Also it has been claimed that in some schools, pupils are more at risk of sexual offences from fellow pupils than from teachers !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4630168.stm
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theres a balance to be struck though. if most child sex offences are carried out by friends and family then the chances of being attacked by a strager are further reduced. we have to give children some freedom and the chance to enjoy childhood, rather than keep them locked away because of the bogeyman. lets face it theyre more likely to get run over than sexually assualted.
I did hear a news piece on the radio yesterday morning saying that the government was considering giving mothers the chance to 'vet' new partners to see if they were sex offenders, at the time I thought it was quite a reasonable proposal, however since I have given it more thought and knowing how this government likes to know everything about us, I wonder how long it would be before such checks became compulsory, making it criminal offence to date someone without the relevant checks being done.
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Re: Rename the British Isles, the paedoph-isles?

As was discussed on Any Questions tonight on Radio 4, I tend to agree with the thinking that if a woman had sufficient reason to suspect her partner was a paedophile she'd be doing more than just asking the police for confirmation, she'd be making a complaint, and for women who didn't suspect anything untoward was going on, then they wouldn't have sufficient reason to suspect so wouldn't ask the police anyway.
Gets good headlines in the tabloids though don't you think?
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Re: Rename the British Isles, the paedoph-isles?

I think the laws should be changed to allow the public to know where these people are living. If they are in sheltered accomodation it wouldn't be necessary to point the finger but the public should be aware that the building is being used to house these people from time to time.

We are having some **** (oops sorry not allowed to say that) in our street with a new hostel being built, the council assured all the residents that it wouldn't contain any paedo's. It is being built right next to a TA centre for cadets, the military police has met with the local council recently, and they are being led to believe that the council may house paedo's in there.

They have no responsibility to inform the army, so there in naturally some concern about it being next to a cadet building. I believe the council will house whoever they want in there, its all down to cash, and the council will offer places to other local authorities (have said so reading between the lines) because there's money in it.
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Re: Rename the British Isles, the paedoph-isles?

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As was discussed on Any Questions tonight on Radio 4, I tend to agree with the thinking that if a woman had sufficient reason to suspect her partner was a paedophile she'd be doing more than just asking the police for confirmation, she'd be making a complaint, and for women who didn't suspect anything untoward was going on, then they wouldn't have sufficient reason to suspect so wouldn't ask the police anyway.
Gets good headlines in the tabloids though don't you think?
Indeed, but lets have some equality shall we? woman can commit sex crimes also you know..!
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Re: Rename the British Isles, the paedoph-isles?

I'm divided over the whole issue...As a parent I'd want to know just so I could keep an eye on my children.As a parent I'd also want to know that those that break the conditions of their release and disappear will be looked for and the public asked to help just as we do for other types of offender.

However I see the potential for vigilantes in the community getting out of hand and some innocent folk getting hurt.

How then to protect our children.Are we to always have to keep them tied to apron strings?Why do our children have to be perpetual prisoners.Why should any parent have to fear for their child seeking to have independance and the right to walk to school or do do errands unaccompanied as part of their growing up?

How to get the balance right? I've absolutely no idea what the answer is.One can always be wise in hindsight but it only takes a minute for a peadophile to strike and it only takes one poor photograph for the wrong person to become a victim of a mob.
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Re: Rename the British Isles, the paedoph-isles?

and important to recognise the actual risk of one our children being the victim of a paedophile, taking into account most victims know the predator, mainly through family as i understand it.

we should be aware of our childrens safety at all times and the risks they face. speaking for myself, a paedophile attack is not high on my risk assessment for my boys.
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Indeed, but lets have some equality shall we? woman can commit sex crimes also you know..!
Agreed but they are few in number.We should warn our children not to go with any stranger male or female.
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Agreed but they are few in number.We should warn our children not to go with any stranger male or female.
I note that you are "always in the wrong". That cannot be as you are female.
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I note that you are "always in the wrong". That cannot be as you are female.
No,it's just a me thing... Especially when teaching teenagers and dealing their expertise in logic chopping.
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I was just listeneing to the wireless whilst trying to force down some toast and marmalade when i heard a news report about some Government website on which is to be published the pictures and descriptions of sex offenders who have failed to comply with their reporting restrictions.

For those interested, the information is here
http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/ceop/

Now I am not a hand wringing liberal type. I am all in favour of the perpetrators of crime being brought to justice, dealt with and rehabilitated as necessary.

However in this case we are talking about people who have committed crimes ,those crimes have been detected, they have been arrested, been to court,sentenced,served their sentence and presumably been given some kind of help to try and modift their tendancies and then been released as free men. The only thing they have failed to do is to continue to report to the authorities as necessary.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6156712.stm

The media seems to continually stoke the fires of venom and hatred with regard to child sex offenders. Dont get me wrong, it would be better if such crimes did not occur, but then it would be much better if lots of other crimes didnt occur.

I beleive that it is irresponsible of a Government agency to publish the details of these people on a website. All they are doing is fuelling the public feeding frenzy and obsession that this country has with paedophiles. Even the popular name "paeadophile" is suitably rounded and shaped so that it is the kind of word that can be spat out with a degree of venom and disgust,it looks suitably nasty when sprayed in vivid colour by a teenage yob on a gable end and is enough to get the British Blood running when splashed across the front pages of the Daily Mail or the Sun.

I am just skimming through Blackstones Police Manual volume 1, crime 2006 and I am having great difficulty spotting any reference to paedophiles. The actual offences we are referring to are detailed as Child sex offences,,


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The Sexual offences act 2003 section 9 states:

(1) A person(A) aged 18 or over commits an offence if
(a) he intentionally touches another person (B)
(b) the touching is sexual and
(c) either--
(1) B is under 16 and A does not reasonably beleive that B is 16 or over or
(2) B is under 13

So then, if a scroat on some crummy estate bangs up a 13 year old and he can proved that he reasonably beleived that she was 16 or over he is home and clear. How many times does that happen i wonder? Plenty of times I'll wager.

Strangely though, in certain countries of the world (not too far away!!), any adult could have sex quite legally with a 13 year old.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

So then, the offence is sexual activity with a child broadly as detailed as above. The offence is NOT being a paedophile. That word is reserved for media rebel rousers.

Moving on, having had a brief look at the British Crime survey
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crimeew0506.html

A weighty document, it would appear to suggest that actual recorded offences are below what public perception and media hype would have us believe.

Any foreign visitor to these shores who took the trouble to read our papers, would think that the UK was infested with child sex offenders when in fact the reality is quite different. The Government would seem to be finally relenting and doing its old trick of listening to the loudest voices, the same ones that scream for an American style Sarahs law.


But lets look at the reality of the situation;

(1) Such crimes, whilst serious, are only a tiny proportion of reported crime

(2) Some parents connive and facilitate such crimes by act or ommission

(3)There are other types of crime which have a greater impact on a greater proportion of the population and which remain largely unaddressed


If we are to name and shame then I'd much rather see details by region of

Antisocial louts who make all our lives a misery

People who assault and beat of pensioners

Street robbers

In short, name and shame all or non at all. Why name and shame a few people in a particular position simply to throw a bit of bloody meat to the baying mobs in the Arena? I guess it keeps them quiet and stops them thinking of other things doesnt it? Who was it who said .." keep them in the pubs and out of the libraries " ...?



Incidentally, i presume that these men will be charged with

Failure to comply with notification requirements-sexual offences Act 2003 section 91

max penalties- five years in prisonment or max six months and a fine,,

of course a defence would be that they had a reasonable excuse for not reporting.

Perhaps that reasonable excuse would be that they feared for their life if they went outside due to the baying mob?


Now all you out there, dont even think of accusing me of supporting these crimes becuase i dont. I just seek to take a more balanced view and I dont read the Sun.

Remember, these guys are tried,convicted,served sentence. Could you reasonably justify a situation whereby becuase of this Government agencies actions, a baying mob turned up at someones house and publically slaughtered them? Is that where we are at now here in paranoid Britain? If so , i dont want it and if so then i really do suggest that

We rename the British Isles> The Paedoph-iles
hang em all i say why waste your time with them?
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I did hear a news piece on the radio yesterday morning saying that the government was considering giving mothers the chance to 'vet' new partners to see if they were sex offenders, at the time I thought it was quite a reasonable proposal, however since I have given it more thought and knowing how this government likes to know everything about us, I wonder how long it would be before such checks became compulsory, making it criminal offence to date someone without the relevant checks being done.
Simple answer - mandatory tattoo on or near the genital area. Same goes for anyone diagnosed with HIV/AIDS. That way it wouldn't be openly on show, so as to avoid creating an insta-mob, or raising people's fears of people being victimised, but that way potential partners would know.
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Simple answer - mandatory tattoo on or near the genital area. Same goes for anyone diagnosed with HIV/AIDS. That way it wouldn't be openly on show, so as to avoid creating an insta-mob, or raising people's fears of people being victimised, but that way potential partners would know.
sadly i dont think he's joking. lets not stop at HIV though eh - pink triangles too maybe alie?
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