tvdrive

[popper]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

... at which point the content supply to cable would immediately dry up. ntl:tw don't care if you make digital copies, but the copyright owners most certainly do.

Without DRM, it'll not happen.

yes thats true , but with the points Tristan makes and i also advocate, id be willing to have a lock-in key to say the STB MAC so as to allow playback anywere on the lan for instance.

[brundles]

Originally Posted by popper

yes thats true , but with the points Tristan makes and i also advocate, id be willing to have a lock-in key to say the STB MAC so as to allow playback anywere on the lan for instance.

Nice idea but the problem is that MAC address cloning is so simple to do - my router has it included in the firmware options for example.

[popper]

Originally Posted by brundles

Nice idea but the problem is that MAC address cloning is so simple to do - my router has it included in the firmware options for example.

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yes.. but the idea is to make it easy to use within the home but hard for your average end user to simply copy it and sell it in micromart...

they will just stick to VCR quality copys for now.

there are (as you probably know)far better ways to protect the content other than DRM, but that involves paying more to impliment it for NTL, they could have payed for the already existing add-in for the TVDrive firmware and that has content protection AFAIC but again they didnt pay up and include it.........

it doesnt matter what the (C) holders force in the end, as it will always get broken or a way around it found, that not withstanding , its still wise to allow some form of home streaming/multicasting the better quality picture or they loose out a lot in the cash intake from IPTV and prevent the UK cable/hi-tech innovation growth.

and lets face it if theres in new kit to play with and pay out for then thats a MASSIVE cashflow problem for the likes of Virgin-Media.

as an example of why they need to relax the content copying
rules then just look at the IPTV worldwide.

i fully expect them to clamp down later after the markets have been seeded and the products re in place, but everyones got something coming so VM:ntl:tw better get moving with new financing and kit that can do the expected things or get eaten bt the big boys..
http://www.digitalmediapublishing.co...uly_online.pdf
http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesar...061101-03.html
http://www.iptv-news.com/component/o...limitstart,40/

Originally Posted by Bill C

TV drive is NOT a pace or a samsung. And just to level the playing field my Thompson 160 sky+ box needs to be rebooted every 2 weeks. My freetv samsung box has not needed rebooting since its install 2 months ago. I WILL be dumping my sky+ box in January for a tvdrive. The sky+box will be on ebay in febuary.

Bill I am not saying that the tv drive is a pace or samsung
The point I was getting at was that given that this person is having to wait for the tv drive to be available in his/her area, what is the alternative?
From somebody who has had stb's from NTL and my blood pressure is strangely returning to normal I know the nightmare that they can be, when they fail going through the pain of phoning NTL every other week to be dictated to by a script to do things I have already tried BEFORE calling NTL it really is not worth the hassle.
How long have you had the thompson?
I would call sky and haggle for a deal but that is up to you
I am not suggesting that people do not have problems with sky boxes but in my own experience, and at the end of the day it is me who is paying for the services, I have not had an issue with my sky+ box since it was installed in september last year.
As far as I know there is a pc out socket on my sky+ box, and if I want to transfer from it I can just transfer it across to my sony hd recorder using the outputs from the sky+