Telewest announce 10Mb broadband speed - Page 2

b.c · 11-08-2005, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Ignition

I'm hugely cynical as to Telewest's ability to deliver 10Mbit unlimited services without extensive contention. Infact at the prices they are describing I'm struggling big stylie to see how this is going to work. We'll see

That's what worries me too. Uncapped is good, but if it ends up being a choice between a cap or letting the contention kick in hard I know which I'd rather suffer.

That said, Telewest have had this phrase in their AUP for quite some time:

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Telewest reserves the right to monitor network traffic and to take appropriate action as required - including the right to restrict any IPS. An example of such adverse usage could be the consumption of a high proportion of the available upload bandwidth over a significant period of time.

alkenstein · 11-08-2005, 13:44

According to my network-brained friend tcp/ip packets of size less than 1KB will cause the downstream to slow down with the 10Mb:384Kbit ratio due to the ACKs that need to be sent upstream.

Though, I don't know what my average packet sizes are..

From http://tinyurl.com/dsq3c average packet size seems to be about 620 bytes.. which means that we may not achieve full 10Mbit speeds..

And that's presuming that we do no uploading at all!

orangebird · 11-08-2005, 13:53

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Originally Posted by Neil

Way to go TW-are you listening ntl?

When ntl announced the 10meg speed, why did no one post a single

about Telewest not having such a tier?

Ignition · 11-08-2005, 13:53

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Originally Posted by alkenstein

According to my network-brained friend tcp/ip packets of size less than 1KB will cause the downstream to slow down with the 10Mb:384Kbit ratio due to the ACKs that need to be sent upstream.

Though, I don't know what my average packet sizes are..

From http://tinyurl.com/dsq3c average packet size seems to be about 620 bytes.. which means that we may not achieve full 10Mbit speeds..

And that's presuming that we do no uploading at all!

Downloading files average packet will be as large as your MRU which is by default 1500 bytes.

If you've problems with that ratio blame Telewest's obsession with staying uncapped. They happily let people upload full pelt 24x7, their problem to be honest.

orangebird · 11-08-2005, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Rob C

Absolutely stunning. I find it very odd how Telewest can implement such improvements so quickly compared to ntl. There is clearly a much more dynamic management structure in place at Telewest. Yes ntl have a bigger network, but TW say they will be rolling out upgrades from next month, whilst, as I understand it ntl will still be planning their upgrades.

One wonders whether such postive practices will get absorbed into ntl or smothered if (when) the merger takes place.

And best of all, no caps

I find it stunning that when someone has next to no knowledge of the differences in quality, size and expense of different networks, they seem to think they know enough about how long these rollouts should take.

Neil · 11-08-2005, 14:35

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Originally Posted by orangebird

When ntl announced the 10meg speed, why did no one post a single

about Telewest not having such a tier?

Because TW don't have the reputation that ntl do, that's why.

Every time ntl do something, TW have either already announced it/done it.

[Edit]-Take the recent upgrades to 3 meg (ntl) & 4 meg (TW), ntl customers had major issues getting the upgrade (some CS staff didn't even know about it

), some waited ages, but TW had theirs finished ahead of schedule.

**Mick** · 11-08-2005, 14:40

Do we have turn this into a Telewest VS ntl thread - Crikey its pointless....

Robc66 · 11-08-2005, 14:41

Telewest kick ntl's bottom again! HOW I WISH I WAS IN A TELEWEST AREA!!!

danielf · 11-08-2005, 14:44

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Originally Posted by orangebird

When ntl announced the 10meg speed, why did no one post a single

about Telewest not having such a tier?

Someone did, but it got only 2 replies...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=33221

SMHarman · 11-08-2005, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Rob C

Anyone else noticed though how the gap in relative terms between upload and download speeds is getting wider?

I thought this was a problem with the Asyncronous nature of cable and ADSL, the upload limits are reached far faster than the download ones.

orangebird · 11-08-2005, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Neil

Because TW don't have the reputation that ntl do, that's why.

Every time ntl do something, TW have either already announced it/done it.

Well in the case of the 10meg speed, ntl did it first, and you're still slagging them.

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[Edit]-Take the recent upgrades to 3 meg (ntl) & 4 meg (TW), ntl customers had major issues getting the upgrade (some CS staff didn't even know about it

), some waited ages, but TW had theirs finished ahead of schedule.

But that's not the discussion happening now. ntl annouce 10meg first and they're still in the wrong for some unknown reason.... give a dog a bad name eh? ....

Neil · 11-08-2005, 14:59

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Well in the case of the 10meg speed, ntl did it first, and you're still slagging them.

I'm not 'slagging' them, I was merely comparing the two announcments (of which Telewests is superior)

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Originally Posted by orangebird

But that's not the discussion happening now. ntl annouce 10meg first and they're still in the wrong for some unknown reason.... give a dog a bad name eh? ....

ntl only have themselves to blame for the poor reputation they have just about everywhere.

Ben · 11-08-2005, 15:00

OB its because BY will get the roll out done alot faster and no doubt with alot less problems then NTL will. + the fact that NTL wants to roll this out "later in the year" for 3mb customers and even longer for those who want to go from 2mb to 10mb

NTL are slow acting at everything, thats right everything!

Sorry i'm taking this off topic but OB i still see you trying to defend NTL after all this time!

funny really

**Mick** · 11-08-2005, 15:03

Ben - that's quite enough of that thanks.

Such great news has descended into chaos about who is better. Completely pointless seeing as ntl and Telewest aren't in direct competition anyway when all said and done!!!

orangebird · 11-08-2005, 15:06

Can you let me know the name of shop where you lot get your crystal balls from?

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Originally Posted by Mick

Ben - that's quite enough of that thanks.

Such great news has descended into chaos about who is better. Completely pointless seeing as ntl and Telewest aren't in direct competition anyway when all said and done!!!

Quite. Bloody shame really. You get something for nothiNg and people still have the braSs neck to whinge about who gets it first. FFS.