Rape Claim Wife gets 12 months - Page 2

Kliro · 07-06-2005, 11:01

I can't believe someone could be so cruel, this mans life has probably been ruined because of this!!

Can you imagine forgetting all about the woman, then being dragged out of bed by the police, and not knowing why?!

Bex · 07-06-2005, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Chris T

I have no reason to doubt that the man who was initially accused of rape is completely innocent not just of this crime but of any other sex crime. I was being sarcastic. I should do it more often, seeing as this little outburst of irony has confused so many people

What I'm trying to say is, we have here a classic case of someone being accused of the kind of crime that usually gets the pitchfork-weilding mob out in force. That accusation is later found to be baseless. Yet, if the initial accusation had been posted here, that man would doubtless have been hung, drawn and quartered, in a literary sense, within minutes.

i understood you but boy was it a sarcastic post............ although as i said before what you said was totally true
damn you your making me publically say a man was right

Nemesis · 07-06-2005, 11:06

I actually agree with Chris on this ..... We do really need to take a step back and decide whether we actually have ALL the facts before we make very judgemental decisions.

**Maggy** · 07-06-2005, 11:10

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Originally Posted by Simon M

I actually agree with Chris on this ..... We do really need to take a step back and decide whether we actually have ALL the facts before we make very judgemental decisions.

Which is why I tend only to post such cases AFTER they have been to court,and judgment passed by the judiciary.

**Chris** · 07-06-2005, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Bex

i understood you but boy was it a sarcastic post............ although as i said before what you said was totally true
damn you your making me publically say a man was right

Well, I've been a mod nearly a year now, it affects your outlook eventually ...

And congratulations for finally admitting what you've always known in your heart.

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To the topic ... I tend to think she should have gone down for rather longer than she did. Perhaps sentencing in these cases should take account of the likely consequences for the innocent person, had they been found guilty.

Above all, though, I feel for the two-year-old son, who's mother is a jailed sex maniac and whose biological father is an anonymous one-night-stand. He probably will be better off with the father he has, but boy, what a load of baggage he's eventually going to have to carry.

Mal · 07-06-2005, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Simon M

I actually agree with Chris on this ..... We do really need to take a step back and decide whether we actually have ALL the facts before we make very judgemental decisions.

You're asking for a lot there

I really feel sorry for the "accused", as he has probably taken a lot of abuse already for being labelled a rapist.

Like Pierre said earlier, both parties should remain anonymous until the end.

Bex · 07-06-2005, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Chris T

Well, I've been a mod nearly a year now, it affects your outlook eventually ...

And congratulations for finally admitting what you've always known in your heart.

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To the topic ... I tend to think she should have gone down for rather longer than she did. Perhaps sentencing in these cases should take account of the likely consequences for the innocent person, had they been found guilty.

Above all, though, I feel for the two-year-old son, who's mother is a jailed sex maniac and whose biological father is an anonymous one-night-stand. He probably will be better off with the father he has, but boy, what a load of baggage he's eventually going to have to carry.

hey you'll only have me admit it once....

unfortunately, it seems to always be the kids that are eventually effected in these cases, sometimes i really wonder whether some should be sterilised to stop them bringing children into the world who will get screwed up.... but yes i know it isnt very humane or PC of me to say that

orangebird · 07-06-2005, 11:16

Sorry, but how sanctimonious can you get? People react in different ways.
I feel terribly sorry for the guyt that this happened to, and the slut deserved an awful lot more than 12 months...

But regardless, if one of your daughters come home claiming she'd been raped, what would you say? 'I'm sorry you're distressed sweeheart, but I'll reserve judgement on whether you're telling the truth or not til it's gone to court. And even then, if the alleged rapist gets convicted, I'd be happier to wait for him to appeal and get the results of that, just so I know for sure.... '

Bex · 07-06-2005, 11:20

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Sorry, but how sanctimonious can you get? People react in different ways.
I feel terribly sorry for the guyt that this happened to, and the slut deserved an awful lot more than 12 months...

But regardless, if one of your daughters come home claiming she'd been raped, what would you say? 'I'm sorry you're distressed sweeheart, but I'll reserve judgement on whether you're telling the truth or not til it's gone to court. And even then, if the alleged rapist gets convicted, I'd be happier to wait for him to appeal and get the results of that, just so I know for sure.... '

i personally wouldn't call what chris said "sanctimonious" or in fact anything he implied. rather what he did say was not to wait to pass judgement when someone claims to be raped but that we need to think about the media coverage and that we aren't presented with all the facts.

orangebird · 07-06-2005, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Bex

i personally wouldn't call what chris said "sanctimonious" or in fact anything he implied. rather what he did say was not to wait to pass judgement when someone claims to be raped but that we need to think about the media coverage and that we aren't presented with all the facts.

Sorry, but IMO he was. Anyone care to answer my hypothetical question?

danielf · 07-06-2005, 11:21

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Sorry, but how sanctimonious can you get? People react in different ways.
I feel terribly sorry for the guyt that this happened to, and the slut deserved an awful lot more than 12 months...

But regardless, if one of your daughters come home claiming she'd been raped, what would you say? 'I'm sorry you're distressed sweeheart, but I'll reserve judgement on whether you're telling the truth or not til it's gone to court. And even then, if the alleged rapist gets convicted, I'd be happier to wait for him to appeal and get the results of that, just so I know for sure.... '

Of course if it happens close to you, you will be angry (and rightly so), and emotionally involved. Besides, you will have access to more of the 'facts', than the average person reading the newspaper reports (including knowing the character of the (alleged) victim. I think what Chris is calling for, is for those who are not emotionally involved/further removed from the case to pass judgment on a case where they are fully aware they are not armed with the full facts.

**Chris** · 07-06-2005, 11:22

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Originally Posted by orangebird

<snip> if one of your daughters come home claiming she'd been raped, what would you say? 'I'm sorry you're distressed sweeheart, but I'll reserve judgement on whether you're telling the truth <snip>

You've completely changed the focus from 'whether the accused man is guilty or not' to 'whether the victim is telling the truth or not'. These are not the same thing, and making the mistake of believing that they are causes no end of problems. Believe it or not, it is possible to be supportive of a victim of serious crime while resisting the urge to do harm to the person alleged to have committed the crime.

ian@huth · 07-06-2005, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Chris T

I wonder: if the alleged gang rape had been poosted on the forum when it occurred, how many people would have expressed an opinion that the man charged with it should have been strung up. Just as well the 'victim' eventually got him off the hook, eh?

Still, no smoke without fire, I bet he's a bad'un really ...

The problem is that many men are charged with rape and sexual harassment when no such offence has been commited. Even if they are found innocent there are many people who adopt the "no smoke without fire" attitude which tends to stick with them throughout their life. It is very easy for a woman to cry rape and very hard to prove that rape hasn't taken place, particularly if some time has elapsed between the alleged rape and when it is first reported. I wonder what the verdict would have been if the accuser hadn't changed her plea at the last minute and decided to stick with her claim?

It would appear that there could be something like 46,000 alleged rapes a year http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/health/1832004.htm but few get reported in the national press. Cases like this are more newsworthy because it is a false claim with a resultant jail sentance.

**Chris** · 07-06-2005, 11:23

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Sorry, but IMO he was. Anyone care to answer my hypothetical question?

Question answered, above.

Is 'sanctimonious' a category reserved for people you reeeeeally disagree with?

**Maggy** · 07-06-2005, 11:26

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Originally Posted by orangebird

Sorry, but how sanctimonious can you get? People react in different ways.
I feel terribly sorry for the guyt that this happened to, and the slut deserved an awful lot more than 12 months...

But regardless, if one of your daughters come home claiming she'd been raped, what would you say? 'I'm sorry you're distressed sweeheart, but I'll reserve judgement on whether you're telling the truth or not til it's gone to court. And even then, if the alleged rapist gets convicted, I'd be happier to wait for him to appeal and get the results of that, just so I know for sure.... '

OB,Chris is just pointing out that on CF we sometimes jump to conclusions when perhaps we haven't got all the facts.

I personaly think we would be better off discussing cases that have had a judgement passed down on them and sentenced pronounced.Much safer.